I’m mainly interested in how clean it gets the dishes, and how reliable it is. I also don’t need or want any kind of internet-connected features.
This is the correct answer: https://www.bosch-home.com/us/en/mkt-product/dishwashers/top-controls/SHX78CM5N
Bosch dishwasher fucking suck, E24 errors all the goddamn time
Is your drain impeller blocked with food, or is your pump motor dying?
Get the most basic version with a metal interior. I haven’t tried many brands but my whirlpool is ok
Why a metal interior?
Holds up better, won’t crack or leak.
Quieter, too
Can also chime in on Bosch. Knock on wood, never any issues and no “talk to your dishes from your smartphone” IoT bullshit.
They do have that now, though. The control panel is as cryptic as ever, with certain settings only possible though divination (or a series of unlabeled button presses, I forget which).
But now some settings and wash modes are app-only. Still fully functional without an app, but frustrating I can’t use the thing to it’s fullest ability on it’s own.
This has not been my experience with the one I got a few months back.
Maybe you don’t use those settings?
https://media3.bsh-group.com/Documents/9001906312_A.pdf
Page 19, delayed start is only via app. And page 21 has the secrets to the “basic settings” that definitely requires the manual and patience to use.
Delayed start being limited to the app is horseshit.
I have an LG, ten years not a single issue, works well, quiet
Our LG washer/dryer are about 15 years old now, still working incredibly well and look new. Definitely worth looking into
Surprised with how good the LG dishwasher and clothes washer have been. Will buy more of their appliances.
Another happy Bosch customer here. Had a Whirlpool that leaked and caused water damage on the floors. Turns out Whirlpool happens to be the most basic level of dishwasher, KitchenAid is their nicer line. Anyway, got a mid-level Bosch and this thing cleans (and dries) waaaaay better than our old one could ever dream of.
Get the base model of whatever the consensus on brand is generally. ALWAYS research though. They all wash dishes, usually the biggest problems people have with dishwashers is user error stuff. Like not knowing you need hot water at the sink first before starting the dishwasher. which pulls from hot water pipe, but the water in the pipe is not even warm yet by the time it stops calling for water if you just start it. Same with not adding dishwasher detergent to the pre wash cycle, adding too much detergent to the main cycle spring loaded container, not accounting for hard water streaking and failing to buy a streak/rinse aid, not cleaning the filters or door seals regularly, buying a shitty detergent and not trying others, etc.
I highly recommend checking out this video regardless of what model you get:
I want to know the things this man seems to be an expert on and be an expert on them like him. I also feel like he would be fantastic at parties.
He’s my lowkey hero.
I really love how Technology Connections is just living his best life, being so iconically nerdy that he has masses of adoring fans, despite the topics he covers being so ostensibly dull. I remember scoffing when I first stumbled across him; I thought “a 40+ minute video on [boring stuff I didn’t care about] — who would watch that?”. I think I probably started watching it with the expectation that after a few moments my disdain would be validated, and I’d move on. As it happens, I was enchanted by the magic of “passionate nerd explains something in depth”.
Haha - yep, exactly! I started the first video like, “Meh, I’ll give it two minutes.” And ended like, “I need to watch ALL the things!”
I don’t have to click the link. I already know what this video will be.
I badly misunderstand the question; I thought you meant the job position, not the appliance.
I have no relevant advice for the latter situation.
Do you have relevant advice for the former one?
Emphasize proper maintenance of the space, equipment, and hygiene standards over speed in the beginning. They’ll get faster over time but they’ll never get less sloppy.
If they get to order a shift meal order it for them the first few times, so they know when to do it without burdening the kitchen and the appropriate price range for comped employee meals.
Make sure both the other BOH staff and the FOH are aware that they are new and the dush pit might get backed up more than usual, and to take the extra time to properly scrape plates and stack to make the new dishie’s life easier while they get the hang of things.
I got a Bosch a year ago and love it. Super quiet, super clean. But my favorite feature is that it cracks the door open after running so that every has a chance to air dry. I run it at night and when I wake up everything is fury dry, even plastic containers.
This is also useful as a visual cue for “the dishwasher is finished and needs to be unloaded”. My ADHD means that visual cues like this are super helpful
My 5-year old Samsung does this as well. Blows fans for 5 mins too.
Same. Samsung, +/- 5 years old.
I would love this feature. I have an older bosch and it just beeps like every 10 minutes crying to be opened up.
I just went through this. I had an Asko for 13 years, was definitely happy enough with it to get another. So quiet! So when it did eventually die I was going to get another one but the prices have jumped quite a bit. The next best are Miele and Bosch, I ended up with a Bosch that was on a super sale. I’m pretty happy with it over all.
The Asko as mentioned was very quiet, the one I had before it sounded like a freight train so that was important. Over the years the eco clean setting wasn’t as good (food left on)so we switched settings to the regular cycle and that was ok. About a year ago we kept intermittently getting an error which was from the water pump sensor so it wouldn’t finish the wash. My neighbour had the same one (the reason I got it in the first place) and her front panel had gone so she gave it to me for parts. I never did end up fixing it and we just limped along until about a month ago and I said fuck it and got a new one. One thing I really liked about it was the layout inside for my dishes. One thing I hated was the sharp metal around the outside front trim. When we went to install it, it gouged the wood cabinet.
The Bosch is nice, almost as quiet and doesn’t use much water. The model we got is made in Germany too. I’m not such a fan of the layout inside but that’s probably because I’m just not used to it yet. It’s got the top utensil rack which I like. The next rack down you can adjust the height which I haven’t had a reason to use but I can see being handy over the holidays. Definitely loving having clean dishes again! It does have internet connectivity but as long as you don’t download the app it will never connect. I also didn’t want that but it’s hard to find one without now.
The middle adjustable rack means half sheet baking pans actually fit on the bottom, or wine glasses will actually fit in the middle. Definite upgrade over earlier Bosches.
Yup. Our wine glasses are stemless (I knock them over) and my husband doesn’t like his baking sheets in the dishwasher so as of yet we haven’t had a reason to use it. That being said, I know I will at some point!
Miele, Asko, or Bosch in a pinch.
Some low end Bosch have in the past been Frigidaire or something dressed up as a Bosch. Keep an eye out for that.
I replaced my Miele (2001 build date) this year. The control panel was getting a little unreliable. It still was cleaning dishes (when it started).
If you can, try for one with a built-in water softener–that is, if your home has hard water. You’ll reload salt, as well as detergent.
Speaking of detergent, Technology Connections reference.
Buy powder detergent. Fill to the appropriate line. Save a crapton of money over time. Yes, I have autism, how could you tell?
Whatever the local small sales and service guy sells. There are a bunch of good ones - but the local guy will know what they need to service more often and what they can get parts for if you need it.
He sells whoever he is partnered with, my uncle is that guy, he will sell you a shitty Maytag
Gonna make myself unpopular here. No to Bosch. Overpriced and overhyped. You pay a premium and get little in return. I installed my own and rather than just connecting the power to a standard electrical connection, you have to (or you have to pay someone) to wire in a proprietary electrical connection box. The dishwasher has a special cable that connects to their weird receptacle. No idea why, helps nothing, adds labor without benefit. Bosch dishwashers do not use heating coils to dry the dishes. They use the residual heat of the water to dry. My experience is that this is not very effective as well as slow. Some have a means to ventilate themselves (fans, mechanism to open door, etc). This helps, but adds complexity, failure points and is still slow. I gave up after my last (third one) Bosch would not clean nor dry properly after it was about four years old. Took it apart, cleaned crud out of pump and bottom end. Came to conclusion that the pump was no longer able to move water at a sufficient pressure to spray the dishes. Was more of a weak sprinkler effect. No idea why it would not dry. It never dried well from the beginning.
I have since switched to a whirlpool (kitchen aid) with a heating coil. One year in being run 2x a day and no issues so far. Dishes are clean and dry. Bought a simpler model without nonsense like wifi, apps, lights, floor projection or anything else. I run one setting: auto.Is a great minority take and I appreciate it thank you. Honestly, I’ve been using my parents Bosch for the last 15 months and I have not been impressed. Granted they have no clue about cleaning out the filter, and even though I informed them, they don’t remember such things. And the dishes are often left wet. Also, no one is mentioning what models they have just brands, so it’s kinda hard to make a determination since I have to assume many different models have many different features, and the guy in the YouTube video I just watched said rather than just having a basket filter some of them have an actual macerating filter that can chop stuff up and that sounds pretty appealing, but I have no idea which models have that. So I’m gonna try and figure that one out.
I do all my own maintenance\re0aurs of all my appliances, cars, electronics, etc. As well as helping out family, friends, and where I work. I’ve dealt with a lot of dishwashers and I agree with you. If you aren’t buying commercial, just get a whirlpool (or one of the rebranded whirlpools like Maytag, KitchenAid, JennAir, and Amana). GE is pretty good as well. I’ve had a GE for the past decade and I bought it used for $25.
For most families, just get a simple one that plums in through the hot water side instead of cold and skips the water heating issue, and has a drying element, and is quiet. Noisy dishwashers are annoying.
The receptacle thing sounds like an attempt at vendor lock in.
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