Turnabout fucking sucks.
Way more go wrong than lights, increase car to car interactions massively, inappropriate european fad. This for place that don’t mind getting bog down doing more than an hour to get 50km away because they don’t have important things to do
Better than 4-way stop signs, fuck that noise.
I’ll just put this here so people can actually get som real info and not the nonsense you are spewing.
I won’t be reading roubdabout propaganda and the reader shouldn’t either. We seen first hand these things proliferate and make driving even more of a chore dumped on travellers willy nilly.
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Traffic circles are safer, reduce maintenance costs, slows the fucking speeders and more efficient than your fucking stop sign and signal intersections.
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Turns travel into a slog. Turnabout land is infected, essentially a cancerous mass growing out of the city, taking over the land, urbanisation.
F. The more fundamental problem is that these are all cars, not bikes. Fuck cars.
Right, that’s the funny thing about roundabouts. They’re a marvelous solution to local motor vehicle throughput. That become completely unnecessary if your traffic is anything besides motor vehicles. In fact, for bikes and pedestrians and anyone else who can look at each other eye to eye and even just talk to one another if need be, no signals or signs are necessary at all.
They become more necessary in a bike-centric world… as velodromes.
I’m waiting til it becomes normal for individuals to use old school buses as their commuter vehicles. It’s the inevitable destination of the car size war.
Well yes, but actually bikes wouldn’t even need a roundabout with rules like this in the first place.
Those small green pissing pyramids are blocking the road.
Replace the pink car with a bicycle an A is suddenly not being in the mood to yield anymore.
All cars will yield to a bicycle in the UK, because less protected members of the road traffic always take priority.
All cars should yield.
When I used to cycle, I’d just go on the pavements at large roundabouts. Not much point in being right but dead.
I personally never had any issues. British drivers are very polite and cautious.
Welp, I’m not in the UK.
Over here, people go with - what is the most threatening to themselves - and it really feels weird that people who have presumably passed the driving exam are worse at roundabouts than me.
I’m a daily cyclist and I think I’d be terrified to bike through a full roundabout. They’re absolutely marvelous designs for throughput that doesn’t require complex signal automation, but the flip side of that is they’re pretty hostile if you’re not a motor vehicle. Any truly good roundabout design should include pedestrian and cycle paths along the periphery that have priority when crossing the circles entrances.
On the other hand, I am not expecting a cycle path for me when I am going around the normal road speed. Just if people start understanding the cycles are also traffic and not something to be plo’d over.
But that’s not the thing either. It feels like people are just playing a game of ‘chcken’ all over the place.
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Ok, now do one where C and A arrive at the same time to an empty roundabout and A still, to this day, thinks they have the right of way. Because why wait a fraction of a second when I can make others wait for a lot longer?
I hate having classes in a classroom with windows pointing to a roundabout because I get to realize how NO ONE seems to do them correctly… (In Spain, for reference)
A does have the right of way over C. And the OP has a quite violent interpretation of transit rules that only make sense if it’s a large roundabout with a low speed.
Also, the pink car has the right of way over both. Both are quite right at stopping there, and D is invited to keep stressing themselves to death.
Now, if the pink car decided to stop and wait for A, then it maybe is worth pointing it to them.
I got my driver’s license pretty recently and in driving classes I was always told to look at the left first to see if anyone is inside the roundabout, and then to the right to see if I have to let someone go before me (on small roundabouts). Think it from a logical standpoint: A wouldn’t even need to completely stop to let C in first, while, if A goes first, C needs to stop and wait while A passes in front of them.
It may be a new rule, because no one seems to know about it (or pay it any mind).
Really? I thought you never look to the right in a roundabout. You look to the left, and if it’s clear, you enter and look forward until you exit. That said, I’ve never been to a small enough roundabout that there could be a conflict just after entering.
The OP’s idea here is that since A is stopped, C has plenty of time to enter the roudabout. That’s reasonable if the roudabout is large, and crazy if it’s not.
Your idea that C can enter anyway, even if A didn’t stop is just crazy.
Why? A and C should be able to enter simultaneously. There’s no reason for A to stop.
Depends on the size of the roundabout. For one big enough they could both join simultaneously and maintain a safe distance, that’s fine. If not, if you drive on the left the one on the right has priority and vice versa for the rest of the world.
In fact it’s only a problem if people arrive simultaneously at all junctions, since now there’s no person to the right of everyone.
In this case usually everyone stops (unless one of the cars is a BMW or audi) and then someone will start to move first. After which normal operational rules are restored.
if you drive on the left the one on the right has priority and vice versa for the rest of the world
Isn’t that backwards? US we drive on the right and if 2 people arrive at a stop at the same time you yield to your right, the rules would extrapolate out to the same at a roundabout time, googling and looking at the CA handbook produced squat so the rules might be “fuck it” here, actually
Nope. People are on a roundabout and in the UK you will be going clockwise. So traffic on the roundabout is coming from your right.
I’ve driven in Italy/Germany and it is the opposite. People are going anti clockwise so you have to give way to your left.
The principle is retained on mini roundabouts where you give way to people on the entrance/exit to your immediate right (or of course traffic already on the roundabout) even though those work most similar to 3/4 way stops.
Stop signs don’t need to follow logic of traffic movement direction so you I suppose give priority to the right because being on the right side of the road they are easier to see? I’m not sure where those rules were formulated though.
C may be right to yield depending on where pink and yellow are going and the speed they’re doing.
C has plenty of space to be out of the way before pink and yellow can catch up to it.
It’s a small roundabout and it’s prudent to wait a second to see what they’re doing. Being impatient isn’t a good trait when driving.
Don’t drive in NJ then. /s
If C is moving (and they should be), there’s no reason to wait. If C isn’t moving, yeah, maybe it’s worth waiting, but then my question is why they weren’t moving.
Not if they’re moving quickly and not signalling their intent.
Signaling is not useful in a circle because it’s on the opposite side of the car. By the time you see the signal, it’s too late to make a decision based on that anyway.
As you approach, you should adjust your speed to fit into traffic in the circle. Don’t look for signals, just look for cars.
this just here, we don’t have many roundabouts but, the amount of drivers who think it’s a race to get from point a to point b is unreasonable. I’m not about to enter the roundabout as car c if the pink or yellow car is flying with no indicators.
Car D is going to have to wait for car A no matter what
Assuming no cars come after yellow car, it doesn’t matter if car C goes or not.
Honestly it’s nicer because car D doesn’t have to move up a car length to yield.
Yes they could get screwed very hard though
Well couple of things.
You don’t know how long C has been incorrectly yielding. There may well have been enough time for them both to move onward.
Also there’s nothing to say that A isn’t a yet undiscovered C.
I’m from the UK so roundabouts are second nature. I’ve been an accidental C before. Where I had to wait for a lot of cars that had priority over me. When it finally was open for me I was zoned out. Luckily the car behind me was very polite and just used a short beep of the horn to bring me back to reality.
I love how the meme assumes everyone trusts everyone else’s driving. Utopian ideals, man.
My mom taught me to never trust a turn signal (or lack of one)
That’s not how roundabouts work. They’re really simple:
- Look left and enter when clear
- Look straight until you exit
That’s it. This only gets complicated if traffic is backed up, in which case everyone is going slow enough for it to not matter.
Nice, I don’t know why, but I was picturing the pink car going fast enough to squeal their tires like they used to in the one nearest where I live. We only got roundabouts here a decade or two ago, so they’re still a novelty to most. I don’t drive much, as you can probably tell.
Yeah, speeds in a roundabout should be very slow, like 15mph/20-25kph. Bigger ones can handle a bit faster traffic, but they’re not designed for high speed, but lack of stopping.
And I envy you, I wish I didn’t need to drive as much.
You not following the rules because you assume everyone else isn’t following the rules is why no one is following the rules…
I don’t follow the rules only because I don’t drive at all. Otherwise, yes, you are correct, I don’t follow rules which endanger my life. Just weird that way.
C is yielding to a pedestrian, but carbrain D cannot fathom yielding to anything smaller than their car.
I’ve been car A and still had car D behind me beep at me. We hate car D.
Pedestrian would be safer crossing somewhere with a pedestrian crossing
There’s no pedestrian in the image.
Cars are bad enough as it is that we don’t have to imagine more problems with them.
We’re this a 2 lane roundabout, car d would be changing lanes to bypass car c, nearly striking that pedestrian
It took me three attempts to parse
We’re this a 2 lane roundabout,
Your mistake is even harder to type than the correct ‘Were’!
Nope, same level of difficulty since the swipe keyboard autocorrect added the unneeded apostrophe.
Hate it when that happens!
Autocorrect fucks me on were we’re all the time. I bet that’s what happened.
Yup. Swipe keyboard.
yall need real keyboards.
Pedestrian crossing without traffic lights at a 2 lane roundabout entry? That’s just murderous design.
Traffic lights on a roundabout kinda defeats the purpose doesn’t it? might as well signalize the intersection
Signalised lead ins are helpful to solve flow issues caused by an imbalance in traffic direction at certain times of day. When you get too much traffic building up that can’t enter the roundabout due to no gaps you activate the red light before the entrance dominating traffic flow to give a period where the other directions can move through. The actual roundabout works as per normal and you don’t have to deal with lights during non-peak periods.
Lights on a roundabout make it not really a roundabout but an unholy mishmash of intersection design. I’ve got one near me and the only thing going for it was that converting a roundabout was significantly cheaper than the flyover intersection it really should be made into.
Try a 3 lane roundabout entry. I cross that shit twice a day on my commute to work every fucking day. Other options are very far out of the way as to make them non-viable.
I always wave on traffic so that I may cross when it is safe. Sometimes, a car stops to let me through, and refuses to move. I won’t go, because I can’t see the other two lanes past the car that is stopped. Four times in the past year, that car was rear ended by a massive fuckoff truck. For whatever reason, they get pissed off at me, not the guy that rear ended them.
Does turning your head/body to face away from that car that refuses to move help much?
I only once encountered it in Czechia near Plzen with 2 lanes. Think it took me 5 minutes before I could/dared. Can’t imagine it with 3. Crazy dangerous situation. Stay safe!
A pedestrian would cross between C and D, or even behind D.
Ive had the ‘pink’ car stop in the roundabout and motion, me as the ‘A’ car, to go. Like i dont even anymore.
There are specific times when this might be appropriate. For example if I am turning off at the exit after where the car is joining from, I can see they’re indicating to making a move around the inner part of the roundabout which is clear, and if I proceeded I would join a queue for my exit and block them. I’ll usually stop short and gesture they move in.
But otherwise it’s usually safer all round to stick to the rules.
I’ve never seen a roundabout with a queue
Really? I see them when travelling to London all the time. I used to live in London too. A very common occurrence and if you want to keep traffic moving, allowing people that can proceed to do so, just makes sense to me.
I get in and out of those roundabouts as fast as possible
I don’t mind the design, I think they’re great and save time and reduce traffic congestion
I just don’t trust drivers of this generation to use them properly. We are currently in a transition period of generations … an older generation of drivers that didn’t grow up with these and a newer group who will think these roundabouts will be normal. As long as these old timers (including me) are around, these traffic situations will be dangerous.
Which is why, when I get to these roundabouts, I get in as quickly as possible and get out as quickly as I can
I mean, nothing here is wrong but I have rarely had C being my primary issue when dealing with roundabouts. Idiots randomly entering the circle with no regard to other cars, THAT I’ve encountered quite frequently…
Biggest problem I encounter is people failing to signal their exit
So I end up being C because I yield to a bunch of bozos who didn’t communicate they were’t going to come my way
Well we can kinda only go when the signal is accompanied by another indication like slowing and or beginning to turn - “never trust a signal” eh?
Or badly designed ones with a combo of yield and stop signs that effectively prevent the people with the stop sign from ever proceeding
The only real problem I regularly encounter is on two lane roundabouts.
If you want to take the first exit you need to enter in the passenger side lane.
If you want to take any exit after the second you need to enter in the driver’s side lane.
If you enter in the passenger side lane, you must take the first or second exit. Taking any exit after the second from the “outside” lane is gonna cause an accident.
I see this happen a few times a year. It’s so common that most drivers foresee it.
Yeah the solution there is spiral roundabouts with hard barriers at critical points.
Ah yes, car E driven by Leeeerrroooooyyyy Jenkins
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To the moooooooooooon
Watching the shadow of the car, it takes out the top of a tree
That’s because Americans don’t know how to use them, once you live in a place where people use them OPs picture becomes your issue and you never see yours.
I think that’s location specific, I’ve lived in a few different places in the US that had roundabouts, although I’ve always called em rotaries in the northeast.
Yeah same here. Only know roundabout because that’s how the GPS says it lol
My city (US) used to have one that was signed all wrong, so cars already inside the circle would have to yield to the ones entering. Naturally this led to congestion instead of flowing traffic. Also it was way too close to a tangential road so that made things even worse because the backed up traffic on that side then affected cars that weren’t even going to the circle.
Fortunately they ripped that shit out and redesigned the entire intersection.
Americans have a hard time driving, period. They can’t “keep right unless passing”, they can’t understand 4-way stops, they can’t understand traffic circles, and so much more. So frustrating and dangerous here.
Yesterday, I had to drive for at least 15 miles behind a transfer truck doing 45 because an idiot decided to cruise in the passing lane right beside it. I see it at least once a week.
What’s so hard about understanding the left lane is THE PASSING LANE. FOR PASSING CARS IN THE RIGHT LANE?!
It’s completely F’d up. In the region I live in there are a lot of 3-lane highways (6 lanes total). People “cruise” in the #2 lane and treat it like the slow lane which forces faster traffic left and right around them in the #1 and #3 lanes sometimes going 5 under the limit, often confounded by a #1 lane camper going the speed limit or just a few over. Nobody obeys any sort of rule or has a clue they aren’t being the asshole. They refuse to keep right or yield to faster traffic.
I know that „there must be a German word for that“ is became a meme, with lot of fake words being thrown around, but I’m not even joking: There’s a German word for that lol ✨Mittelspurschleicher✨
I was just thinking yesterday that if Trump actually wanted to do good he could convert all these people he’s hiring for ICE into some kind of traffic enforcement agency and send all the dumbasses that can’t drive properly to el salvador. This thought happened while I was stuck in a drive through that some moron had blocked the exit of by pulling up too far.
1 lane each way highways solve this issue by preventing there being a passing lane except on straight aways when there is no oncoming traffic.
I have to agree.
I’m old, and most roads were 2 lane when I was a child. These problem didn’t exist then.
Useful, but incomplete.
My favorite is when the pink car stops to allow car ‘A’ to go 🙃
Some larger roundabouts work that way. Most (in)famously the arc de triomphe in Paris.
Where I live there are two of these
“if I randomly stop in the middle of the road so another car can get in, the car right behind me probably won’t hit me”
Cyclist here.
Someone did that for me, so I tried to rush across the street to not hold up traffic.
Woke up a few weeks later in physical rehab, not remembering anything because of the TBI. Evidently I was in the hospital for about three weeks. No recollection!
I will take predictable drivers over ‘nice’ drivers any day.
THIS! FFS
Oh God I love that its just so hulaeuosly dumb when it happens
I just put my hands in the air and yell at them
