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it would be cool if websites let you be an adult on them. the advertisers and payment processors need everything to be Family Friendly though and their definitions of family and friendly are absolutely fucked. but since they’re in charge of the Internet now, no one is allowed to be an adult. tiktokers say things like “unalive” and “seggs” because they know death and sex are too adult for online. online is for idiot babies only now because they’re easier to market to
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oh im sorry you’re a trans adult? super ban. you are super banned for life. you have upset Visa’s feelings. Mastercard is throwing up in the corner. how could you do this to Google Ads?
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Twitter is filled with porn and racism but still has payment processing and ads. 4chan has payment processing. I don’t think this is a universal truth. It’s more like some sites purposefully chose to have strict guidelines for whatever reasons.
“Sorry guys, the ad people don’t like it.” was just an excuse, the real goal was censorship of the web.
If Corporations are allowed to set the rules as to what gets talked about and what can’t be mentioned, it’s easier to flood the net with advertisements for their products.
This was posted on tumblr where trans people being suspended by staff with no good reason is a fairly regular occurrence
wait huh? there’s no way it’s that bad, right?
i luv y’all, fedi frens! ~ <3
Demonitising youtubers has made the Internet say Unalive A baby have been formed Frick
And other shit it’s stupid and the self censoring of fuck is annoying. I mean I would love for the Americans to invent new swear words. In German the censoring almost always fail since we have way to many words for insulting or swearing. Some are always free to use.
But the Americans just censor fuck instead of getting creative. Boring as a speech of Trump.
This is just the surface-level stuff that people see and get annoyed with. This faux puritanical censorship is also used to blot out content on “sensitive subjects” that would otherwise be informative to people but harmful to the corporate or state image. It’s getting harder and harder for news on the Palestinian genocide to trend before it gets shadowbanned on any platform, just as an example.
Yup.
If I can’t say basic words and facts like, this woman was raped, this man died, etc.
I just don’t use the website in any meaningful way.
When I was a kid in Yahoo chat rooms… I saw things man.
These kids don’t know.
Well the 4chan kids know but these normal kids don’t know.
Imagine these little faggots in an Xbox 360 COD lobby.
(I am gay so I can say that word. You can’t, and actually, neither can I (Twitter gave me a three day ban for it))
Look, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with doing the occasional chore for the senior boys in school. And who doesn’t like minced pork liver and heart, wrapped in bacon, with onion and breadcrumbs? Or an bundle of sticks for that matter - that bacon-wrapped organ mince isn’t going to cook itself, you know.
I was so confused until I got to the sticks. And I was worried about opening the link because I thought it was AI spam 😆
My comments may be useless nonsense, but I assure you they’re all 100% human generated useless nonsense. I take pride in wasting everybody’s bandwidth with good old fashioned manual shit-posting.
All things as they are meant to be ⚖️
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If you’re American you probably need to learn Russian anyway these days. Might as well.
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I’ve been saying for years that the advertiser-friendly neo-puritanicalism that was infecting the left was a trojan horse for conservatism, and then here we are.
How was it infecting the left?
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C’mon, you don’t have to look very hard to find puritanical, anti-sex ‘leftists’
Insistence on decorum, general anti-sex sentiments, curtailing of language to adhere to advertiser-friendly standards, to name a few.
I think all of that is true when it comes to mainstream public events, but bath houses are still a thing and queer people are still having a lot of sex. Playing to your audience is just strategic.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say, if I’m being honest.
I will say though that having sex and being pro-sex are two extremely different things, and the existence of one does not in any way imply the existence of the other.
I don’t really understand what you’re trying to say, if I’m being honest.
Advertisers didn’t change queer people, queer people changed advertisers.
I will say though that having sex and being pro-sex are two extremely different things, and the existence of one does not in any way imply the existence of the other.
How can someone have lots of sex without being pro-sex? You’re incorrectly conflating the idea of doing sexual things in general and the idea of doing sexual things in public; most Pride events are less overtly sexual now than they were in the past, but that’s not a reduction to the original goals of Pride.
Advertisers didn’t change queer people, queer people changed advertisers.
You’re not immune to marketing and conditioning. It’s not a one-way street, it’s two-way.
How can someone have lots of sex without being pro-sex?
I dunno, maybe ask the Catholic Church, or the Mormon Church, or any other famously anti-sex organization that promotes heavy breeding but still uses harmful shame tied to sex as a a means of control?
You’re incorrectly conflating the idea of doing sexual things in general and the idea of doing sexual things in public; most Pride events are less overtly sexual now than they were in the past, but that’s not a reduction to the original goals of Pride.
No, I’m not. You’re conflating being pro-sex with being sexually active.
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I’m not calling those who craft and insist on this kind of language left, I am calling the people who accept and use it supposedly part of the left (in vague terms).
You are making my point. My point is that conservativism is charlatans and we becomes their stooges when we play according to their terms, including on the field of language.
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The US religious fundamentalists have managed to impose their fucked up values on the world. Calling it “family values” was always a lie.
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Either way, I’d like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Peter Thiel is trying okay? Give him a break, these things take time… and Greenland (New Zealand said no)
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Yeah, I dont understand either. Why the fuck cant you say suicide? When someone kills themselves, thats suicide, not ‘unalive’.
Whats next, people cant even say ‘unalive’?
It’s because the app reportedly limits and is more selective with videos that contain certain words. Death, rape, suicide, homicide, genocide, murder, etc. it can also pull your video. They don’t do it because they are sparing anyone’s feelings, their saying it that way to avoid their videos being taken down it hidden.
George Carlin warned us about this 30 years ago.
I’d link to it but I’m in the middle of a severance theory video.
The term “unalive” is so cringey yet dystopian that I don’t know whether to feel embarrassed or concerned when I hear it.
I’m waiting for that word to become so popular it also gets censored, it’d be hilarious
I’ve got a list of backups:
- cooked
- spaced (see The Expanse)
- inhumed (as opposed to exhumed as one might do in removing a corpse from a grave; see Terry Pratchett’s Discworld’s Assassins Guild lingo)
- processed (as one does to food using a food processor)
- isekai’d (for the weaboos)
- truck-kun’d
- terminated (for when the Terminator movies become popular again)
- old yeller’d
- returned to sender (until the postal system collapses)
- X trimester aborted
- Peter Pan’d (as in, thrown off a cliff and expected to fly)
- Mufasa’d (or any notable fictional character whose death was a major plot point)
I’d just take them from the parrot sketch.
POOLLLYY! POOLLLYYYY!! WAKE UP POOOLLLYY!!! bangs the parrot on the table See? He’s DEAD!
Most of these have clear other meanings that wouldn’t work being turned into a substituted for killed or died
As a Pratchett fan, I have to say unalive <> inhumed; since “unalive” = dead whereas “inhume” = kill
i like the term “zeroed” from cyberpunk as in “they got zeroed” (unsure if that is the correct spelling)
Worms games have a nice list of expressions for managing kills (or drowning)
Old yeller’d hits different
It started out as a fun way to make light of Disney refusing to allow the word “Kill” to show up in the cartoon adaptation of Ultimate Spider-Man, now when I hear it in a youtube true crime video I want to game end myself.
And the ironic thing is that episode literally had deadpool in it. So dead’s fine but kill isn’t
Yeeted right into the search history of life
was that in the comics or cartoon?
Cartoon, Deadpool leaned on the fourth wall to say “Something’s preventing me from saying the k-word, so I guess I’m trying to unalive these people.”
It was funny because it was being used to mock censorship instead of being a form of it
I wouldn’t worry about that one too much. Death has a ton of euphemisms to soften the concept; “passing away”, “transitioning”, “going home”, etc and so on and whatnot.
Kicked the bucket
Bought the farm
Took their leave
Adjourned to rest
Took the long napWhat are some more?
Punched their ticket Meeting the lord No longer amongst the living Pining for the fjords
My grandpa transitioned, she’s now my grandma
Sorry for your loss. On the other hand, congrats
Oooh, a trans-grand-parent!
I’ve been so deep into fediverse stuff that I forgot about that. I feel blessed
Have never been on Tiktok. Have no regrets.
#blessed
do hashtags even work here?
Kinda (no).
On Lemmy hashtags are just to format a header, as you’ve shown. However, you might see them seemingly randomly because microblog users can post to lemmy and they use them because hashtags work as tags for them.Hashtags are a Twitter invention and Lemmy is a decentralized reddit clone and reddit doesn’t use hashtags so no.
They do work for those of us on mbin
I mean it comes up basically every day here where people complain about censorship in a screenshot submitted to some shitpost or meme community.
Fediverse and DNS sinkholes FTW. Any way I can avoid becoming someone’s money is nice.
The adult stuff goes deeper.
There are furries.
Deeper than that, there are bronies and non-bronie MLP (FIM) enthusiasts.
And below that, there are furries who like animal genitalia.
And at this point, a few miles down into the abyss, there are lolis.
ETA What should be under lolis but isn’t is CECOT. That is, is appears family friendly enough for VISA, also very real and sponsored and used by the US.
Jesus fucking christ one of these things is not the same.
I don’t care if people want to bang fictional anthropomorphized characters. It’s not my thing, but aside from that it has absolutely not bearing on my life and doesn’t present any kind of moral failing. It’s niche, and it’s fetish, and sure it’s a little odd, but it’s harmless.
Even as a non-furry, furries do not believe to be compared to pedophiles or lolicons.
These are not the same things.
Fantasizing about fucking Tony the Tiger is just in no way comparable to fantasizing about fucking a child without the intellectual or legal capacity for informed enthusiastic consent, and frankly, it’s weird as fuck to try and conflate the two.
I also echo the other commenter in saying that I have no idea what “CECOT” is supposed to mean.
What’s cecot? I don’t want to look it up…
How is that related to the post?
I blame the rise of nu-puritanism on Google and payment processors. It’s a load of bullshit that people can’t even have negative feelings these days.
I think the issue is that these platforms are motivated by advertisers. I can build a Reddit clone in a weekend and have it be ad-free. It’s not expensive to host text + urls - which was how old.reddit.com used to operate. It’s basically a few dollars a month or I could host it out of my house for the cost of electricity (and security). And, without advertisers, I don’t really care what I host so long as it doesn’t directly contributing to harming others.
The main issues are:
- No one wants to join a platform devoid of content
- Once you reach a large enough platform that people want to join, it might require revenue streams to afford the scale
- It’s hard for people to even find platforms (Google will direct you to the top 5: Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok)
The modern infrastructure hasn’t changed. It’s still HTTP and servers. The problem is internet culture. We used to use the internet as an extension of our community. We could share links, forums, etc. in person (bizarre, I know). But now the internet is our entire community. And there is little drive to participate in niche communities. People like to be heard and to engage quickly on the internet which requires a large-ish platform (Lemmy is a good example of this).
No it’s really payment processors.
There have been multiple successful ad-free websites in the past. But they still need revenue to function. Revenue their users happily pay.
But then Visa or PayPal or whoever is handling the transactions starts to pay attention and then all the sudden there’s new rules in place or else they hike fees or just stop processing payments altogether.
And on the Internet, there is no true alternative methods of payment (hint: any viable methods are quickly suppressed by those same payment processors).
So the only way any website gets big is left to the whims of advertisers or payment processors (usually both).
I have no idea why we as a people are somehow fine with private companies having a complete stranglehold on all significant online business. Why we’ve allowed the government to privatize digital transactions, subject to very little rights or protections. It’s allowing private corporations to massively suppress free speech, commerce, and social gatherings in the digital sphere.
Honestly our supposed freedoms are more and more limited these days because they only apply to public spaces, but there’s been a continual erosion of ‘public’. Where is the modern town square? If the only place you can practice your ‘rights’ is almost nowhere, do you really have those rights at all?
The government should be mandating that ‘digital infrastructure’ (ISPs, data centers, payment processors, etc) are neutral and can’t be utilized to bully others out of business. That their privileged position also comes with extra responsibilities and restrictions so you don’t have the digital equivalent of cutting off water to an abortion clinic because the water utility is pro-life.
I agree with most of what you said but I feel like we are talking past each other regarding the whole payment processor piece. How do payment processors impact what ads YouTube plays before a video?
Probably ~15 years ago I knew a guy who used to help run a large local forum, one day without warning they got cut off entirely by Google because they decided some of their content wasn’t suitable to run ads against, so that was it the entire site got blocked.
Ended up having to break the site into 2 separate domains, one advertiser friendly, and one they wouldn’t touch.
I mean, obviously this is true and a huge issue, but that’s part of what the Fediverse aims to address. Mainstream social media is fucked and done for.
Good riddance, I hope one days there’s an alternative to Discord, I don’t really trust it anymore, but I can’t think of a program that does the same thing but better.
I have heard some people trued matrix, but apparently it’s still kinda bad (or was a few months ago). The problem with switching is also always that most people still use the bad corpo site and you want to chat with your non-techie friends usually.
Trued Matrix?
No, because I was advised against by a peorson who tried it.
tried*
Well, I do believe there’s an open source Discord clone that’s self-hostable too. It’s called spacebar.
But does it have a user base?
…Well, some people use it. It can definitely work for your private servers!
Ahh…
Well gives me hope for the future at least
It should be, and yet almost every single community is still enforcing some kind of stupid decorum or civility “standard” which sounds fine in theory, but almost always leads to a similar (albeit less egregious) thing. You still end up with jackasses who know how to play the civility game and are able to say intentionally antagonistic and awful things within the bound of decorum whose comments are allowed to stand while the decent people who rightly tell them to fuck off are getting moderated for “civility.”
So long as we keep pretending decorum and methodology matters more than intent and we keep insisting on civility over decency, we’re just doing the same damn shit.
So long as we keep pretending decorum and methodology matters more than intent and we keep insisting on civility over decency, we’re just doing the same damn shit.
Yeah, I really think that is the key to this. Because, to be frank, I think civility should be enforced in certain communities — not everywhere, necessarily — but, obviously, people that play the game while harming the community need to be excluded regardless. Civility matters, but decency > civility, every time.
As soon as any one instance gets big enough and needs to get funding, the payment processors will crack down on allowed content. Don’t like it? Tough luck in receiving the money people are trying to send you.
Just… Don’t get big enough, right? Limit user sign-ups. That seems to be the obvious solution to this, no? More instances will pop up. Am I crazy?
Good point
Let me preface this by stating clearly that I am not a cryptobro, but this feels like one of the legitimate use cases for bitcoin or other crypto here.
Imo using crypto as an investment or maintaining an active wallet is fool’s errand stuff, but as far as actual transactional use, this feels a viable workaround to depower Visa/MC.
