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Oh that guy. He spends all day on Lenny pushing pro-Russia and pro-Chinese propaganda. It’s probably his job. I’ve asked him to hook me up with extra work, but no leads yet.
LoL. A capitalist that cannot conceive of someone speaking what they believe in. They must be getting paid for it!
Perfectly on the nose. Chef’s kiss
lol a tankie that assumes everyone that disagrees with them is a capitalist. 🙄
It’s the posting all-day every day that makes me think it’s a job.
I wouldn’t expect the mom’s-basement-communists to get that though.
I love the denial paired with more wealth worship and poverty shaming. Keep churning out the hits!!
Same to you, comrade. Have a gooder, bud.
Suck my dick bitch
You have to put them in cuffs first, then bust out the dicktionary.
I blocked the cunt very early on. Still looking forward to being able to do *@lemmy.ml and get all of them.
Everything said is factual. For 2014 coup and Ukrainian history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcmNGvaDUs&t=22s
Zelensky’s constituntional term has not only expired, but local elections are also suspended. Only Russian liberated regions are having normal elections.
This is like the only war the US has ever legitimately supported to you people, instead of yet another series of lies you are gobbling up again.
This war has nothing to do with any people’s right to self determination. It is a clash between two imperialist powers. Russia’s actions are criminal and cruel and it needs to be stopped. The same goes for China and even more so the DPRK. But the fastest way to do so is to end the war asap. Just because one imperialism is less atrocious doesn’t mean it should be a permissible leftist policy to support imperialism. That’s what the socdems did in Europe in 1914, and it cost the working class a golden opportunity to revolt. In an imperialist war, the left should always want their own bourgeois state to lose, because it weakens it and makes it easier to topple. On neither side is it the ruling class that is suffering and dying - it’s working class people with their views clouded by nationalism, propaganda, and the promise of money or freedom from prison.
What Karl Liebknecht said over 100 years ago has lost nothing of its truth - The main enemy is at home.
So you support full scale mobilisation of NATO to match on Moscow right? That’d end the war right quick.
I know you’re trying to be sarcastic, but you’re actually just showing that you didn’t read my comment. I d o n o t s u p p o r t e i t h e r e m p i r e. Besides, when has a European force marching on Moscow ever ended in a quick victory for the European power?
What’s the Kremlin like?
I d o n o t s u p p o r t e i t h e r e m p i r e.
Yet apparently, you only support resolutions which result in the Russian empire being allowed to continue its genocide unabated, I guess because Ukrainian lives are devalued by being part of the Western Empire or the Imperial Core™ or whatever the buzzword of the day is.
In an imperialist war, the left should always want their own bourgeois state to lose, because it weakens it and makes it easier to topple.
Ah, so Poland should have craved defeat when invaded by Nazi Germany?
That’s the true proletarian view, right?
Look at the profile pic lol
“CCCP” (aka: USSR)
totally not biased
Heh, he is pretty accurate in this =)
Go ahead and explain how, we’ll wait… Heh.
Kremlin talking points that was thoroughly debunked in 2022 but here we are…
Yogthos is the kind of piece of shit that “critically supports” bombing Ukrainian kindergartens and maternity wards as long as, somewhere in the world, at least one Western tear is shed over it. Blocking them makes the fediverse far less unpleasant.
Wonder why that user account is above the rules of the instance and its communities. The modlog is full of examples which should apply to their behavior as well
Lemmy.ml has banned him a couple of times for short periods though. Lemmygrad.ml is obviously perfectly ok with everything he’s saying. Some instances (such as the one I’m using) have also blocked him permanently.
They’re a mod of several .ml communities. Just like every communist dictatorship, laws and rules don’t matter when it’s the one in charge breaking them.
Let’s not pander the charade of that being communism
Perhaps there should be a new word for this communism that doesn’t oppress
Isn’t it just Marxism or communism.
Like democracy doesn’t have a new word because some people oppress in the name of it
Yep. Leninist aren’t communist. And never will be. They use the term ironically like magats use the term freedom. They make it their identity despite being opposed to it.
“Liberal communism”? :) Tankies would love it.
One of the best decisions I’ve made
Lol, overthrows the government to be run by the exact same government.
The mental gymnastics are ridiculous.
Least idiotic .ml user
dude talks about not having free and fair elections, supports best korea.
Yogthos is always here to provide the shittiest of takes and the most phallical of fallacies.
Wut? Was he talking about the previous Ukrainian government, sponsored by Russia™? I can’t make sense of what he is saying, actually.
Dude doesn’t know about Euromaidan. I wish some of these children would go to russia.
They believe euromaden was a western sponsored coup, the beginning of the end of Ukraine’s independence and the forced deportation of the nation from their Slavic brethren
They like the idea of Russia, not actual Russia.
I had to reread it a few times myself, but I’m pretty sure that’s what he’s talkin about
Because everyone knows Russia is well known for their totally legit free and fair elections/s
i got a veteran friend who would not take kindly to people saying her country should be permanently tied to a country whose name she refuses to spell correctly. the .ml tankists have, apparently, no concept of a black flag operation
When Russia interferes, it’s fair and democratic elections, when the west spens a few million on pro-democracy and anti-corruption initiatives it’s Western election interference and bad.
Or they argue in bad faith.
I hope so because I don’t want to believe people can be so stupid they can probably not breathe and walk simultaneously.
When Russia interferes, it’s fair and democratic elections, when the weat spens a few million on pro-democracy and anti-corruption initiatives it’s Western election interference and bad.
It almost feels like posting yogthos is cheating
I dont get how tankies can support a “communist” nation like China that has an investor class and whose system requires the mistreatment of the proletariat.
“Because they’ll eventually take away their wealth or kill them” is an argument I’ve actually seen on .ml. I’m not against the sentiment of getting rid of the capitalists but cmon, when someone says China isn’t socialist and points at a clearly capitalist behavior you can’t be “it’s still socialist because the capitalist thing will be fixed in the future”. Then every country might as well be socialist, we’ll just fix capitalism at some later date.
Because they don’t support communism. They just like one version of ogliarchy better than the other.
They’re authoritarians not communists ie. the ole schtick.
They’re just more people who’ve fallen victim to a well-funded propaganda campaign. Not much different than trumpets—in fact, they share many talking points! Amusingly, both groups would be offended by the comparison.
Don’t worry, someone will be along shortly to recommend 2000 pages of communist literature that wouldn’t even prove their point even if you read it all.
At least China goes through the motions of being Communist. They also somehow support 21st century Russia which is just openly an authoritarian oligarchy.
My ‘favorite’ is when they defend clerical fascism in Iran as some kind of fantastic anti-capitalist development,
Islamic theocracy is fundamentally incompatible with fascism as the ideal state posed by Islam is a caliphate aka a theocratic monarchal state.
The leftists allied with the religious nutjobs in the revolution, then got murdered immediately afterwards because the religious nutjobs didn’t want a leftist government that tolerated religion, they wanted an authoritarian theocracy. Some people somehow think that any leftist-backed revolution always goes brilliantly and ends up with utopian socialism or communism and no one ever exploits the post-revolutionary power vacuum for their own ends. That isn’t compatible with what happened, so instead, they must believe that the leftists survived being murdered and now run Iran.
Communists also literally do not care about democracy and seem to strongly believe that if anyone in the country wants something pretty socialist then than justifies overruling the reat of the country with all the military power it can muster if neecessary.
As a side note Islamic theocracy is immune to fascism given the fact that the ideal state in Islam is a theocracy. Theocracies and fascism are incompatible due to the supremacy of the faith in one vs the other.
Iran is just another theocratic totalitarian state. They are not fascists.
That’s overly simplistic. Fascists and theocrats work together to gain power for all the time. See the current marriage of Trump and Christian Nationalists in the United States, for example.
That has nothing to do with my claim which is specific to Islam. As Islam posits a caliphate as the ideal state it is incompatible with fascism which requires faith to be subservient to the state. Iran cannot be as Muslim fascist theocracy
There is often a very large gap between what is seen as ideal and what pans out in reality. Fascism is absolutely a possible result of an attempt to establish a caliphate, just as an authoritarian dictatorship or oligarchy - sooner or later - is a possible result of an attempt to establish communism.
If you end up fascist you cannot be a Muslim theocratic state which is what Islam posits as the ideal this you cannot have a state that is both fascist and an Islamic theocracy. This combination is entirely possible for other faiths that do not posit an ideal state.
You cannot be both.
The “Party” sits above the “Money” in their power structure, unlike most of the Capitalist countries nowadays were (after 4 decades of Neoliberalism) Money is a power above that of the State (and remember, the State is what the voters supposedly control in Democracy, so that means that Money is a higher power than Democracy, which is why many have pointed out that countries like the US are Oligarchies not Democracies).
And, for reference, in Fascism too (or, in fact, all other Autocratic systems) the State sits above Money, so I’m hardly saying that by itself that is enough to make that system good
The real hypocrisy of tankies, IMHO, is that the “Communist” nations they support in a tribalist way still have elites, they’re just not chosen via Money but instead via ability of climbing up the Party ranks (so Cronyism and Sociopathy) whilst genuine Leftwing thinking is about Equality, the very opposite of there being people who get privileged treatment for any reason other than need (that reason being money as in Capitalist system or something else is quite irrelevant in Leftwing thinking)
If you just see them as tribalists wedded to an ideology shaped by a specific kind of elites who use a specific kind of slogans around Equality to support the continuation of the structure that maintains their elite privileges, (which is parallel to what’s done in Capitalism which similarly has the whole bullshit about how wealth is the product of merit to justify discrimination based on wealth) you can understand why tankies would think what they do about China.
They’re still mindless simpleton tribalists, but it’s interesting to understand how using as foundation for ones own judgement an ideology controlled by somebody else without doing at the very least some analysing of it just as easily yields a tankie, a Fascist or a (Neo)liberal depending on which ideological bundle of slogans they’ve unquestioningly adopted.
Brainrot. That’s how. Some people just aren’t very resilient to propaganda. Actually… Huge numbers of people aren’t.
I honestly can’t tell if these .ml guys in these discussions are trolling or just spouting retarded nonsense and calling everyone a Nazi for the sake of it
Hey, no judgement, but we’re trying to cut down use of the r-term around here, as a courtesy to those who it’s been used to unfairly hurt. Just for future reference.
And on and on the euphemism train goes, where’s the next stop? There’s going to be a slur for the mentally deficient, tell me which one you endorse.
Fuck’s sake.
Not fond of George Carlin, I see.
Nevermind, I’ve learned that the new R-word is shithead. Seems more vulgar and insulting but whatever, that’s fine.
Thank goodness you’re here. Next thing you know, somebody is going to ask ME to be polite too!
Censorship isn’t asked. It’s just enforced.
When you can’t be mean, you can’t really speak your mind about people you hate. Like political figures, and certain moderators.
Right now it seems I’m not being shut up. I guess it’s up to you whether or not to shut me up.
Just know that a lot of the people that get shut out of “decent” places are people you meet outside, and they’ve been getting weird the last few years. I’m gonna argue it’s causative. It doesn’t exactly feel great to be permanently banned. It’s not very normal or human. It’s exile at a handwave. No warmth, no humanity.
But you think I’m cold and cruel and awful because I call stupid people retarded, or I guess shitheads now.
None. Don’t insult people over stuff they can’t control. Call them ignorant shitheads not ugly/retarded/etc.
So shithead is the new slur for mental deficiency?
Is that what you call unintelligent uneducated indoctrinated rural people who piss you off with zealotry and hate?
Ignorance is not a disability, it’s a choice. So no, it’s not a slur for mental deficiency.
First of all, resorting to insults, great show of intelligence.
Second of all, if you need me to explain to you the difference between ignorance and stupidity, or the average bigot and people with actual mental disability then you have some catching up to do before we can discuss this topic.
A tad derivative, don’t ya think?
I wonder how many of them work in russia and china. their shittakes are hilariously tanky
I kind of wish they are trolling and we’re dumb for taking the bait. I mean it’s unlikely as I’ve met true believers (both Nazi and tanky) before IRL and these people sound exactly the same, but who knows.
Have you not read any interviews with Ukrainian military? Seen any of the patches on their uniforms? They call themselves Nazis. For fuck sake, they name streets after famous Nazis.
Every single thing they posted is true, from the Maiden Coup to Zelenskyy’s dictatorship. They’ve banned all opposition parties, banned opposition media, refuse to hold elections, and have been systematically killing Russian speakers in the east for over 10 years.
They’ve been at war for ten years. That’s like saying the US systematically killed German speakers for 4 years in the 1940’s. And they haven’t banned all opposition parties, just the Russian ones.
Russia invaded them three years ago, genius. And I love that you acknowledge they’re targeting ethnic Russians as part of the denial that they’re doing that.
You guys can’t keep your lies straight.
I’m just going to leave these right here. You don’t have to click on them, but it would be cool if you did.
The targeted killing of ethnic Russians preceded, and was used to justify, those events.
But the Maiden Coup got the entire thing rolling.
You mean the Russians made some shit up to justify invading Ukraine? Yeah we know that. And filling the streets with people doesn’t work without the people. No matter what you want to say.
Which is it? It didn’t happen, or you support it? Pick a lane.
What happened 10 years ago in the east? Was it Russia invading due to oil reserve discoveries?
I know Ukrainians. I know eastern Ukrainians who protested against Yanukovych and were shot at so he could keep his gold loves of bread. I also know Russian/Ukrainians whose families emigrated to Ukraine after the USSR ethnically cleansed Crimea of the Tartars. Ukraine is a place with a complex past and lots of internal issues. But those issues are INTERNAL. They should have the right to work them out themselves. Russia invaded for oil and natural gas resources, plus the black sea ports. The rest is propaganda.
Calling targeting ethnic Russians an “internal issue” is wild, but on-brand with the pro-genocide stance being pushed by the western backing of the Ukrainian far-right.
