Considering to buy one for a family member.
Yes. I switched to vaping after smoking a pack a day for ten years. Then in about a year I was able to winnow my usage down and quit vaping too.
I had tried many times to quit before that. Have not smoked in 13 years now and after about 8 years I stopped liking the smell.
Crazy hearing vaping helped you stop 13 years ago. My brain tells me they only came out 2 years ago…
Naw there were vapes when i went to high school in the mid to late 2000s.
Vaping is about as effective as a quitting aid as other nicotine replacement methods but with an as yet undefined long term risk profile.
Buy them some gum or patches instead.
It seems to be more effective: https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD010216.pub8/full
Thankyou, I have been relying on an article I read several years ago, which in my memory was Cochrane also, I may be able to track it down. Turns out I’m out of date on that stat.
I stand by it having uncertain long term consequences when other forms of NRT are proven safe.
I stand by it having uncertain long term consequences when other forms of NRT are proven safe.
Still better than smoking.
But the gum and patches as additional options. The ritual of putting cig to mouth is incredibly strong, especially if there are social factors in play.
You can’t make someone quit your way, they have to quit their way.
I think the ritual was the hardest part for me
It has the benefit of putting something in your mouth, and preserving the smoking ritual. Which is as important for many smokers as nicotine.
It’s not without reason that it became so popular in the few years since it went mainstream.Just offer them a dick to suck on along with the nicotine gum/patches /s
(For real though, sucking dick can be quite meditative)
Thanks I’ll make sure to try it
To be clear it has become popular as a substitute for (or adjunct to) smoking. As a quitting aid it isn’t especially effective, even if slightly more effective than NRT.
I must say in my practice I haven’t seen anyone quit using vapes, it just becomes a substitute.
Yes.
Wife and I switched to vaping, then that eventually dropped off to nothing.
I quit not only because of vaping and tobacco-less nicotine pouches, but because I wanted it. If you are buying it for a family member, you can’t make them quit… Hopefully they are wanting to, because you can’t make that decision for them. Just like any other addict.
I agree with this sentiment. I vaped for years and years because I didn’t actually want to stop.
But once I did make the decision the vape made it considerably easier.
That’s what irritates me about people like OP’s argument. I vaped to get off cigarettes but I don’t necessarily want to quit nicotine. They conflate all the terrible aspects of smoking with vaping and then point to people not quitting vaping as “proof” that it doesn’t work. Not everyone who picks up vaping is trying to quit nicotine.
11 years without a cigarette, still vape though.
I quit smoking using a vape and then quit vaping.
I found that it was easier to quit smoking using a vape because I kept the same motion. I needed a powerful one to feel a similar hit.
And I found it easier to stop vaping than to stop smoking because I could mix liquids to have any desired nicotine content, allowing me to reduce it very gradually. A lot of people simply replace smoking with vaping but that’s still an improvement.
A lot of people simply replace smoking with vaping but that’s still an improvement.
Why/how is it an improvement? They are just moving from one way to consume it to another.
Because different ways to consume have different health hazards.
I know… and it’s not exactly an improvement.
When they are not planning to quit (which was the point I was addressing), it doesn’t seem like an actual improvement.It is, smoking is worse for your health.
Compeling argument right there
Well the argument is the video you linked, I don’t have time to rewatch it but you can look in the sources:
https://sites.google.com/view/sources-vaping/
Myth 1: Vaping is just as harmful as smoking
Fact: Nicotine vaping is not risk-free, but it is substantially less harmful than smoking.
I suggest you watch the material you link in the future and I’ll point out that no one is arguing that vaping is safe, only less bad.
No, you people keep saying it’s better and an improvement, the video says that it is less bad as we know right now, but also adds that there hasn’t been enough studies to declare it as a fact or a standard to keep a minimum safety with all the chemicals used in them (like the filters on the cigarettes, they were added for a reason… And even with them cigarettes are terrible)
So I’m still waiting for a reason that addict A switching from smoking to vapes makes it better, since addict A don’t plan on quitting. On the short-term it might be better, but mid-term or long-term what is going on with the new toxins he will inhale?
How is that guy trying to actually argue that vaping is as harmful as smoking? What an insane thing to say.
Smoking introduces a lot more chemicals than just nicotine. A lot of health hazards associated with smoking are from the smoke itself, not the nicotine. Vaping allows you to remove the smoke part of the equation. (Vaping also introduces a bunch of hazards on its own, but it’s still overall better than smoking)
Vaping also introduces chemicals of their own and honestly calling them vapes is also wrong because what you inhale might not be smoke but it is not steam/vapor since it might or might not use clean or infused water to make steam.
When it comes to quitting, then yes, I could agree vaping is better and seems to actually help people quit, but when we are talking about people who are just switching but don’t plan on quitting (which was the point I was addressing) I fail to see how going from toxic product A to toxic product B counts as an improvement, specially at this point when there’s not enough studies or a standard to keep them as safe as possible.
I quit some 20 years ago without using vape (did it exist back then? Not sure) or any medication. That day, after careful consideration I made up my mind and never looked back.
And not just because of my health (it was a very important factor) but also because I had realized how much money I was throwing away. Thousands each year.
Going cold turkey is supposedly not as delicious as it sounds, but it’s probably the best way.
Maybe not the best way to quit, but the most likely way to stay quit.
There is no best way. What matters is what works and different methods work differently on different people. It’s good to have a multitude of ways.
As for efficiency it seems that vaping is very efficient.
Yep. I moved from smoking to vaping. It became a bit of a hobby but I quit that too after a few years just by lowering the nicotine bit by bit and ended up just not using it when the habit was no longer fuelled by addiction.
I did, but I would mix my own fluid; every couple of batches I would half the nicotine content. Eventually it was near-negligible, and perhaps two weeks after that I was doneski
Most people I know that used to smoke now vape instead.
The main reason is not that vapes are great, but that cigarettes cost about £15 a pack.
Vaped for about 7 years after quitting smoking. Switched to 0 nicotine vape fluid and then finally got tired of vaping and just sort of stopped.
Yes. It is a shame that vapes are disregarded as therapeutics. They are fantastic in that regard.
Not to say that the fruit flavoured garbage aimed at children is okay; it is not and should be dealt with. However, we should simultaneously not let the tobacco industry deter the medically valid use of vapes for use as an aid with smoking cessationI’m a fully grown adult who very much enjoys fruit flavours in my vape. Please don’t legislate me based on the kids. Make better laws to protect and allow adults to enjoy things.
Well at least when they fully ban flavors for us adults, we can drink away our problems with the cotton candy and birthday cake vodka that’s stocked in every liquor store across the country.
My son worked for vape wild. His favorite part was talking to people about how to use vapes and custom fluids to quit smoking. Then they had a huge investment from one of the cigarette companies and it all went downhill.
If they want to quit it can be a useful tool that I have seen work for many. If they don’t an e-cig isn’t going to change anything.
Yes. Switched to vaping and was vaping for multiple years before quitting completely. Biggest thing was the “safety” of always being able to have my fix without an actual smoke. The “never again” mentality made it so hard to ditch the cancer stick but the vape was always like “it’s ok, you can just have a little puff whenever you feel like it”. Slowly down the nicotine content. Puff less. Even less. At some point I just forgot. Still have the vape. Still have the liquid, albeit it’s dark red now and looks radioactive so utterly unusable. But point is that the vape eventually faded into irrelevance in a way that cigarettes never could.
Unusable… or will get you high AF?
