It’s not against the TOS. You can advocate for violence against the poor and minorities all day on here. But advocating for them to defend themselves is apparently over the line.
You can advocate for violence against the poor and minorities all day on here.
Where? Seriously, where is this happening? I’m all over lemmy and any time I see a direct call for someone, anyone, else to die that comment is removed quickly and often the commenter is banned.
Calling for increased police and war budgets is calling for the deaths of thousands. You’re right- they’re not the same. The pro-war and pro-cop are far more violent.
If you think they are the same then you are part of the problem
No, you…
(they aren’t the same, a state’s monopoly on violence, which they inflict on their own, and other, citizens with impunity, and which you are not only consenting to, but defending, is infinitely worse)
Yes, they are the same. Advocating for more cops means you want innocent people to be murdered. But they’re poor so they don’t count I guess. Celebrating the West feeding the doomed Ukraine led war means you’re happy when the poor die – rich Ukrainian aren’t dying, the ceos of Ukrainian industry aren’t dying, they won’t be affected.
The scale is different, but that’s because there are fewer people with money and power.
I’ve noticed most communities have been overtaken by, at best, centrist mods. Most of whom have power issues, and ban for personal reasons. Looking at you JonsJava, jeffw.
Lol, authoritarians aren’t left wing (and if you think tankies aren’t manipulated by just as large a government operation, you’re being wilfully ignorant. It coming from a non-American government doesn’t make it any better)
All revolutions are going to be authoritarian, the extent of that really is a reflection of how dire the conditions have been.
I don’t take their reporting at face value any more than I do the stuff that comes from western media. I just don’t see how it helps any sort revolutionary change happen in America to have every speech platform moderated directly by the government.
You missed the part where i was turnin his exact words back on him, jackie.
If you want in this thread? you start by reading. Thats shit talk 101. If you want to try again, it’ll have to be with someone with more patience for than me.
I don’t want anyone to die. And I don’t think the civilians of a country should have to pay the price for the brainwashing done by their corrupt government. Practically every major country does this. The people aren’t to blame.
There ARE people who should suffer, and they are the ruling class and the billionaires. Yet everyone loves to blame the little guys because they’ve been told to. Even you.
dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives
Hadn’t heard that euphemism before, but it seems a weird accusation to levvy when the existing western order is already built on a huge mountain of lives, costing more and more each year.
If anything it’s “leftists” rejecting (and censoring discussion in support of) the idea that violence at some level is going to be necessary who are the ones who would be the “parlor pink”
I don’t like how they’ve taken a turn toward liberalizing and “opening up” their healthcare industry so vultures like the guy who got today can get even wealthier off of everyone else.
Maybe there’s some logic to it, but I think it sucks.
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist? Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
No, the CPC’s usage of a Socialist Market Ecnomy is in line with the Marxist stance that markets and public ownership are more effective in different sectors with respect to level of development. Per Engels:
Question 17 : Will it be possible to abolish private property at one stroke?
Answer : No, no more than the existing productive forces can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. Hence, the proletarian revolution, which in all probability is approaching, will be able gradually to transform existing society and abolish private property only when the necessary means of production have been created in sufficient quantity.
The Proletariat wrests Captial by the degree to which it has developed, which is necessarily different in different sectors and industries, and not merely by decree. The goal is full public ownership and central planning, but until that becomes practical across the entire economy, focusing on the principle sectors, ie the steel industry, infrastructure, and so forth that the Private Sector relies on allows humans to have dominance over Capital, and not the reverse. Half of the PRC’s economy is in the Public Sector, and nearly a tenth in the cooperative sector.
You don’t have to blindly support the PRC, but it absolutely is Socialist.
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist?
I will say, they have at least as st made a show of keeping a leash on them so far, executing ones for corruption/embezzlement is good, I think these types of things are a continuum, if they allow the capitalists they’re attempting to instrumentalize to actually solidify political power within the country I would agree that anything they reach could never be called communism. That’s why I think it’s sort of a Faustian bargain.
Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
This last decade has made me acutely aware of this point, regime change begins at home.
ml still has access to hexbear/grad and .world so it’s my preferred instance just so I don’t need to account switch just to browse the different perspectives
If you want the best of both worlds, Midwest has access to both, though I do have to block quite a few .world comms because I can’t stand the users’ irrational hatred of obsession with dunking on leftists (edit: and pearl clutching).
Lemmy.ml is good if you want access to close to everything on the Leftist side of Lemmy. If I were you, though, I would browse the main Leftist instances like Hexbear, Grad, lemmy.ml, etc locally and pick which one has a good local and good all feed.
I think it’s a lot of the same problem with every social media platform. There’s simply a lot of government agents and private partners that get into positions to moderate and control online speech platforms. It’s how they maintain their power. By controlling what we are allowed to talk about, which never includes speech that’s a threat to their position and power.
Look at how many executives at Facebook are former IDF or CIA. Reddit admins used to have a blogpost up that their highest traffic source came from a government astroturfing farm at Eglin Air Force base. This isn’t a conspiracy. They’re very open about what they’re doing. They have so much control at this point, they no longer feel the need to operate covertly. They spend a great deal of time and money making sure they own the people who moderate the biggest communities, or the admins who can overrule them.
Notice how hard they’re going after the shooter? The NYPD is actually making an effort for once and the FBI is involved even though there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that this is a federal matter (has the shooter crossed state lines? Has the victim’s civil rights been violated?). We’ve always known that law enforcement is for them and not us but it’s pretty blatant.
I’d say “you get what you pay for“ but the C suite doesn’t pay taxes.
I’ve been on the Internet for decades and got my first bans after October 2023 trying to fight back against the insane islamaphobia and western chauvinism of the entire world (shitting in China, any Islamic nation, Russia etc when the west is morally as bad if not worse)
I’m not even a Muslim, I just have the benefit of seeing the humans behind the religion (for all people of all religions tho not all sects are religions are equal)
They’re cracking down hard now. Got permabanned a month ago from Reddit, because I said I didn’t care if Trump called for Liz Cheney to be shot after she’s called for millions to be bombed.
It’s not just threats of violence they’re going after now. They’re banning people for not supporting the right kinds of violence, or supporting equal application of the law.
And the apologist bots are escalating all over social media, too. They’re scared. They should be.
It’s not against the TOS. You can advocate for violence against the poor and minorities all day on here. But advocating for them to defend themselves is apparently over the line.
Where? Seriously, where is this happening? I’m all over lemmy and any time I see a direct call for someone, anyone, else to die that comment is removed quickly and often the commenter is banned.
So give me specific instances, prove your claim.
Really? You haven’t seen any pro-cop or pro-war content on all of lemmy?
Of course I have but that’s not what you were referencing in the comment I replied too, nor was it what my reply was about.
Ahh. You don’t think those count as violence.
They are not the same as a comment that I just read that says, and I quote, “Yes we’ve had first CEO assassination but how about a Second?”
If you think they are the same then you are part of the problem.
Calling for increased police and war budgets is calling for the deaths of thousands. You’re right- they’re not the same. The pro-war and pro-cop are far more violent.
No, you…
(they aren’t the same, a state’s monopoly on violence, which they inflict on their own, and other, citizens with impunity, and which you are not only consenting to, but defending, is infinitely worse)
Yes, they are the same. Advocating for more cops means you want innocent people to be murdered. But they’re poor so they don’t count I guess. Celebrating the West feeding the doomed Ukraine led war means you’re happy when the poor die – rich Ukrainian aren’t dying, the ceos of Ukrainian industry aren’t dying, they won’t be affected.
The scale is different, but that’s because there are fewer people with money and power.
I’ve noticed most communities have been overtaken by, at best, centrist mods. Most of whom have power issues, and ban for personal reasons. Looking at you JonsJava, jeffw.
just pointing out that this type of censorship goes hand in hand with attempting to defed/disaggregate .world from the more left wing lemmies.
Lol, authoritarians aren’t left wing (and if you think tankies aren’t manipulated by just as large a government operation, you’re being wilfully ignorant. It coming from a non-American government doesn’t make it any better)
All revolutions are going to be authoritarian, the extent of that really is a reflection of how dire the conditions have been.
I don’t take their reporting at face value any more than I do the stuff that comes from western media. I just don’t see how it helps any sort revolutionary change happen in America to have every speech platform moderated directly by the government.
I assume you mean the ML and Hexbears, who are dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives.
So, I can understand how people wouldn’t want to be federated with that sort of parlor pink bullshit.
typical projection by neolibs dedicated to the maintenance of “the west” at any cost, including lives.
Lmfao, as if tankies aren’t just as blood thirsty as your typical conservative…
Authoritarians be authoritarian-ing (and those who defend them be enabling)… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You missed the part where i was turnin his exact words back on him, jackie.
If you want in this thread? you start by reading. Thats shit talk 101. If you want to try again, it’ll have to be with someone with more patience for than me.
I don’t want anyone to die. And I don’t think the civilians of a country should have to pay the price for the brainwashing done by their corrupt government. Practically every major country does this. The people aren’t to blame.
There ARE people who should suffer, and they are the ruling class and the billionaires. Yet everyone loves to blame the little guys because they’ve been told to. Even you.
I wonder if that’s true?
Hadn’t heard that euphemism before, but it seems a weird accusation to levvy when the existing western order is already built on a huge mountain of lives, costing more and more each year.
If anything it’s “leftists” rejecting (and censoring discussion in support of) the idea that violence at some level is going to be necessary who are the ones who would be the “parlor pink”
Say something bad about the CCP.
I don’t like how they’ve taken a turn toward liberalizing and “opening up” their healthcare industry so vultures like the guy who got today can get even wealthier off of everyone else.
Maybe there’s some logic to it, but I think it sucks.
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist? Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
No, the CPC’s usage of a Socialist Market Ecnomy is in line with the Marxist stance that markets and public ownership are more effective in different sectors with respect to level of development. Per Engels:
The Proletariat wrests Captial by the degree to which it has developed, which is necessarily different in different sectors and industries, and not merely by decree. The goal is full public ownership and central planning, but until that becomes practical across the entire economy, focusing on the principle sectors, ie the steel industry, infrastructure, and so forth that the Private Sector relies on allows humans to have dominance over Capital, and not the reverse. Half of the PRC’s economy is in the Public Sector, and nearly a tenth in the cooperative sector.
You don’t have to blindly support the PRC, but it absolutely is Socialist.
I will say, they have at least as st made a show of keeping a leash on them so far, executing ones for corruption/embezzlement is good, I think these types of things are a continuum, if they allow the capitalists they’re attempting to instrumentalize to actually solidify political power within the country I would agree that anything they reach could never be called communism. That’s why I think it’s sort of a Faustian bargain.
This last decade has made me acutely aware of this point, regime change begins at home.
You’re right! Let’s defend Russia instead!
Should I be moving my account to
mlor other, then?ml still has access to hexbear/grad and .world so it’s my preferred instance just so I don’t need to account switch just to browse the different perspectives
Alright sold, thanks
Edit: oops wrong comment.
My canary in the coal mine was seeing world defederate from the biggest piracy community on lemmy. Noped out right there.
Way too pro-establishment for me
If you want the best of both worlds, Midwest has access to both, though I do have to block quite a few .world comms because I can’t stand the users’
irrational hatred ofobsession with dunking on leftists (edit: and pearl clutching).Yikes! I’m a leftie myself and I haven’t been on this platform enough to notice. Definitely moving.
Lemmy.ml is good if you want access to close to everything on the Leftist side of Lemmy. If I were you, though, I would browse the main Leftist instances like Hexbear, Grad, lemmy.ml, etc locally and pick which one has a good local and good all feed.
Huh
I say some wild shit and they just tell me to stop wilding
Except for FlyingSquid, because he doesn’t want to admit Israel is using religion as an excuse for genocide for some weird reason.
Oh yeah them too.
I think it’s a lot of the same problem with every social media platform. There’s simply a lot of government agents and private partners that get into positions to moderate and control online speech platforms. It’s how they maintain their power. By controlling what we are allowed to talk about, which never includes speech that’s a threat to their position and power.
Look at how many executives at Facebook are former IDF or CIA. Reddit admins used to have a blogpost up that their highest traffic source came from a government astroturfing farm at Eglin Air Force base. This isn’t a conspiracy. They’re very open about what they’re doing. They have so much control at this point, they no longer feel the need to operate covertly. They spend a great deal of time and money making sure they own the people who moderate the biggest communities, or the admins who can overrule them.
It’s one of the main reasons I made [email protected].
Can i advocate violence against right wing leaders and corporations?
Only if you make a community called the “Tetsuya Yamagami Effect” and post it there with some tongue in cheek.
Meh. His motives were personal, not political. But honestly, he deserved to have that kill. I hope he finds peace.
Politics should be personal.
NoOoOoOo never, I would be so upset if you did that.
Cough.
Subscribed.
Notice how hard they’re going after the shooter? The NYPD is actually making an effort for once and the FBI is involved even though there doesn’t seem to be any evidence that this is a federal matter (has the shooter crossed state lines? Has the victim’s civil rights been violated?). We’ve always known that law enforcement is for them and not us but it’s pretty blatant.
I’d say “you get what you pay for“ but the C suite doesn’t pay taxes.
It would be funny if people spammed the tip lines with thousands of fake sightings of the guy.
We make sure they get paid and that’s what matters.
They’re offering a 10k bounty for anyone with good intel. But I’m pretty sure nobody saw anything.
Do you think that all Lemmy is just your instance? What does “on here” mean in this context to you?
On the internet as a whole. We are allowed to celebrate and glorify violence against the poor and minorities. Not rich white people.
I’ve been on the Internet for decades and got my first bans after October 2023 trying to fight back against the insane islamaphobia and western chauvinism of the entire world (shitting in China, any Islamic nation, Russia etc when the west is morally as bad if not worse) I’m not even a Muslim, I just have the benefit of seeing the humans behind the religion (for all people of all religions tho not all sects are religions are equal)
They’re cracking down hard now. Got permabanned a month ago from Reddit, because I said I didn’t care if Trump called for Liz Cheney to be shot after she’s called for millions to be bombed.
It’s not just threats of violence they’re going after now. They’re banning people for not supporting the right kinds of violence, or supporting equal application of the law.
And the apologist bots are escalating all over social media, too. They’re scared. They should be.