dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives
Hadn’t heard that euphemism before, but it seems a weird accusation to levvy when the existing western order is already built on a huge mountain of lives, costing more and more each year.
If anything it’s “leftists” rejecting (and censoring discussion in support of) the idea that violence at some level is going to be necessary who are the ones who would be the “parlor pink”
I don’t like how they’ve taken a turn toward liberalizing and “opening up” their healthcare industry so vultures like the guy who got today can get even wealthier off of everyone else.
Maybe there’s some logic to it, but I think it sucks.
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist? Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist?
I will say, they have at least as st made a show of keeping a leash on them so far, executing ones for corruption/embezzlement is good, I think these types of things are a continuum, if they allow the capitalists they’re attempting to instrumentalize to actually solidify political power within the country I would agree that anything they reach could never be called communism. That’s why I think it’s sort of a Faustian bargain.
Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
This last decade has made me acutely aware of this point, regime change begins at home.
Those executions are just for show. And change will only happen at the end of a blade… but pointing up, not down to the people. That includes the people of the west.
No, the CPC’s usage of a Socialist Market Ecnomy is in line with the Marxist stance that markets and public ownership are more effective in different sectors with respect to level of development. Per Engels:
Question 17 : Will it be possible to abolish private property at one stroke?
Answer : No, no more than the existing productive forces can at one stroke be multiplied to the extent necessary for the creation of a communal society. Hence, the proletarian revolution, which in all probability is approaching, will be able gradually to transform existing society and abolish private property only when the necessary means of production have been created in sufficient quantity.
The Proletariat wrests Captial by the degree to which it has developed, which is necessarily different in different sectors and industries, and not merely by decree. The goal is full public ownership and central planning, but until that becomes practical across the entire economy, focusing on the principle sectors, ie the steel industry, infrastructure, and so forth that the Private Sector relies on allows humans to have dominance over Capital, and not the reverse. Half of the PRC’s economy is in the Public Sector, and nearly a tenth in the cooperative sector.
You don’t have to blindly support the PRC, but it absolutely is Socialist.
In what manner is Engels “wumao?” Marxism is not about “fairness,” or “justice,” but liberation of the working class. It’s about rapidly improving the lives of the Proletariat. The notion that private property can be abolished with one stroke is anti-Marxist, and that means the idea that the bourgeoisie and thus billionaires can be abolished at one stroke is also anti-Marxist. The CPC is increasing control over the Private Sector and gradually wresting Capital from the Bourgeoisie, precisely as Marx and Engels envisioned a Socialist State would.
You can’t just uncritically label everything you disagree with as “wumao.”
You missed the part where i was turnin his exact words back on him, jackie.
If you want in this thread? you start by reading. Thats shit talk 101. If you want to try again, it’ll have to be with someone with more patience for than me.
I don’t want anyone to die. And I don’t think the civilians of a country should have to pay the price for the brainwashing done by their corrupt government. Practically every major country does this. The people aren’t to blame.
There ARE people who should suffer, and they are the ruling class and the billionaires. Yet everyone loves to blame the little guys because they’ve been told to. Even you.
Lol, authoritarians aren’t left wing (and if you think tankies aren’t manipulated by just as large a government operation, you’re being wilfully ignorant. It coming from a non-American government doesn’t make it any better)
All revolutions are going to be authoritarian, the extent of that really is a reflection of how dire the conditions have been.
I don’t take their reporting at face value any more than I do the stuff that comes from western media. I just don’t see how it helps any sort revolutionary change happen in America to have every speech platform moderated directly by the government.
If you want the best of both worlds, Midwest has access to both, though I do have to block quite a few .world comms because I can’t stand the users’ irrational hatred of obsession with dunking on leftists (edit: and pearl clutching).
Lemmy.ml is good if you want access to close to everything on the Leftist side of Lemmy. If I were you, though, I would browse the main Leftist instances like Hexbear, Grad, lemmy.ml, etc locally and pick which one has a good local and good all feed.
ml still has access to hexbear/grad and .world so it’s my preferred instance just so I don’t need to account switch just to browse the different perspectives
just pointing out that this type of censorship goes hand in hand with attempting to defed/disaggregate .world from the more left wing lemmies.
I assume you mean the ML and Hexbears, who are dedicated to the fall of the west at any cost, including lives.
So, I can understand how people wouldn’t want to be federated with that sort of parlor pink bullshit.
Hadn’t heard that euphemism before, but it seems a weird accusation to levvy when the existing western order is already built on a huge mountain of lives, costing more and more each year.
If anything it’s “leftists” rejecting (and censoring discussion in support of) the idea that violence at some level is going to be necessary who are the ones who would be the “parlor pink”
Say something bad about the CCP.
I don’t like how they’ve taken a turn toward liberalizing and “opening up” their healthcare industry so vultures like the guy who got today can get even wealthier off of everyone else.
Maybe there’s some logic to it, but I think it sucks.
And would you agree that by enabling people to become billionaires makes them quite the opposite of communist? Almost like everyone at the top in every country is the actual problem?
I will say, they have at least as st made a show of keeping a leash on them so far, executing ones for corruption/embezzlement is good, I think these types of things are a continuum, if they allow the capitalists they’re attempting to instrumentalize to actually solidify political power within the country I would agree that anything they reach could never be called communism. That’s why I think it’s sort of a Faustian bargain.
This last decade has made me acutely aware of this point, regime change begins at home.
Those executions are just for show. And change will only happen at the end of a blade… but pointing up, not down to the people. That includes the people of the west.
How can execution of billionaires be “for show?” Are they supporting billionaires, or killing the ones that step out of line? Which is it?
No, the CPC’s usage of a Socialist Market Ecnomy is in line with the Marxist stance that markets and public ownership are more effective in different sectors with respect to level of development. Per Engels:
The Proletariat wrests Captial by the degree to which it has developed, which is necessarily different in different sectors and industries, and not merely by decree. The goal is full public ownership and central planning, but until that becomes practical across the entire economy, focusing on the principle sectors, ie the steel industry, infrastructure, and so forth that the Private Sector relies on allows humans to have dominance over Capital, and not the reverse. Half of the PRC’s economy is in the Public Sector, and nearly a tenth in the cooperative sector.
You don’t have to blindly support the PRC, but it absolutely is Socialist.
Typical Wumao response.
You can’t have billionaires and be communism. That’s not fair to the people, which is the point.
In what manner is Engels “wumao?” Marxism is not about “fairness,” or “justice,” but liberation of the working class. It’s about rapidly improving the lives of the Proletariat. The notion that private property can be abolished with one stroke is anti-Marxist, and that means the idea that the bourgeoisie and thus billionaires can be abolished at one stroke is also anti-Marxist. The CPC is increasing control over the Private Sector and gradually wresting Capital from the Bourgeoisie, precisely as Marx and Engels envisioned a Socialist State would.
You can’t just uncritically label everything you disagree with as “wumao.”
You’re right! Let’s defend Russia instead!
typical projection by neolibs dedicated to the maintenance of “the west” at any cost, including lives.
Lmfao, as if tankies aren’t just as blood thirsty as your typical conservative…
Authoritarians be authoritarian-ing (and those who defend them be enabling)… ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You missed the part where i was turnin his exact words back on him, jackie.
If you want in this thread? you start by reading. Thats shit talk 101. If you want to try again, it’ll have to be with someone with more patience for than me.
I don’t want anyone to die. And I don’t think the civilians of a country should have to pay the price for the brainwashing done by their corrupt government. Practically every major country does this. The people aren’t to blame.
There ARE people who should suffer, and they are the ruling class and the billionaires. Yet everyone loves to blame the little guys because they’ve been told to. Even you.
I wonder if that’s true?
Lol, authoritarians aren’t left wing (and if you think tankies aren’t manipulated by just as large a government operation, you’re being wilfully ignorant. It coming from a non-American government doesn’t make it any better)
All revolutions are going to be authoritarian, the extent of that really is a reflection of how dire the conditions have been.
I don’t take their reporting at face value any more than I do the stuff that comes from western media. I just don’t see how it helps any sort revolutionary change happen in America to have every speech platform moderated directly by the government.
Should I be moving my account to
mlor other, then?My canary in the coal mine was seeing world defederate from the biggest piracy community on lemmy. Noped out right there.
Way too pro-establishment for me
If you want the best of both worlds, Midwest has access to both, though I do have to block quite a few .world comms because I can’t stand the users’
irrational hatred ofobsession with dunking on leftists (edit: and pearl clutching).Yikes! I’m a leftie myself and I haven’t been on this platform enough to notice. Definitely moving.
Lemmy.ml is good if you want access to close to everything on the Leftist side of Lemmy. If I were you, though, I would browse the main Leftist instances like Hexbear, Grad, lemmy.ml, etc locally and pick which one has a good local and good all feed.
ml still has access to hexbear/grad and .world so it’s my preferred instance just so I don’t need to account switch just to browse the different perspectives
Alright sold, thanks
Edit: oops wrong comment.