Summary
Israeli settlers in the West Bank, emboldened by Trump’s return and a far-right Israeli government, are pushing for formal sovereignty over the territory.
Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.
While settlers see this as fulfilling Biblical claims, Palestinians view it as erasing hopes for a future state.
Critics warn annexation could jeopardize regional stability and U.S.-brokered normalization efforts, such as those with Saudi Arabia.
We did it, Patrick! We saved Palestine!
Yay, no more genocide! I knew both sides were the same.
Technically, a successful genocide stops. If the goal was specifically that the genocide would end more quickly, then I suppose they got what they wanted.
Easy to end war forever. Just nuke everyone.
🤓
I hate that I’m upvoting this.
Sorry, I’m hard of hearing. I think you asked for extra genocide? That’s our new chef’s speciality!
Good thing we didn’t vote for those democratic genocidists
“I don’t want basic Genocide, I want to evolve to stage 2 Genocidonite”
mashes B
Instead of genocide, we now have genocide 2: Electric Boogaloo
“think global! genocide local”
The “a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide” people were literally saying before the election that Palestinian genocide cannot get worse because genocide is genocide.
So I guess this isn’t worse?
i don’t understand that crowd at all. how do you look at kamala’s promise to stay the course, and donald trumps promise to send even more aid, and not understand it is possible to send more. there is not a ceiling to more. our military industrial complexeis very capable of delivering more.
I don’t either, but more than one person told me that. I even heard it after she lost.
absolutely. i even ran into someone who thought that in meatspace and it’s like… how do you fall for this obvious bullshit so easy?
and donald trumps promise to send even more aid
“Aid”? Why frame it as Trump promising “aid” like it’s a positive? To be clear, the “aid” you’re referring to here, is weapons and munitions being used to murder civilians.
Really weird way to frame it.
i don’t think it’s positive. i think it’s horrible. we’re assisting in mass torture. but i don’t have a better synonym to insert there. i’m open to a better word because words matter
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.
Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank
A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.
Here’s an entire wiki page about all they’ve been doing in the West Bank since 1967.
This is nothing new, it’s just a next step that would have been taken regardless.
Then I guess it would have been a better idea to vote for Harris to avoid all the stuff that will be new. You know, like the new concentration camps in the U.S.
Ok? I don’t disagree, but that’s not what this conversation is about. We are talking about Palestinian genocide and specifically the occupation of the West Bank. And either way, I haven’t heard anyone on Lemmy say Trump isn’t worse for the US.
And either way, I haven’t heard anyone on Lemmy say Trump isn’t worse for the US.
Did you join the site on November 6? It was unavoidable for months, to the point where it was starting to ruin the site imo.
Of course most of them mysteriously disappeared the day after the election, leaving behind a handful of useful idiots that bought the lie, and to this day, are battling the cognitive dissonance they feel every time they see an article like this.
There was literally a “Muslims for Trump” movement near the end there, and their leader has immediately and publicly regretted her decision after seeing Trump’s cabinet nominations.
I’ve heard people say they were both bad, and they were both most appealing to the millionaire/billionaire class - and I would agree - but I really haven’t seen any significant number of people that think they were both equally bad. Maybe one now and then, but certainly not enough that it has stuck in memory.
Then you haven’t talked to too many people here. And no, this conversation was about those people since I was talking about those people and you replied to me. If you didn’t want to talk about what I was talking about, you shouldn’t have replied to me.
The topic is about the genocide happening in Palestine. You said:
The “a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide” people were literally saying before the election that Palestinian genocide cannot get worse because genocide is genocide.
So I guess this isn’t worse?
Also about Palestine.
I simply pointed out to you that this is nothing new and was happening under the Dems, and has been happening for decades, and then you decided to bring up “concentration camps in the U.S.”.
The conversation was not about that.
Why are you shifting goal posts so much and being so antagonizing? Are you just embarrassed that you fell for propaganda and don’t want to admit it? Or are you consciously trying to help spread propaganda and make people forget the Dems supported Genocide?
Either way you are certainly not helping the image that internet forum mods are insufferable people. I’m moving on from this conversation.
Are you just embarrassed that you fell for propaganda and don’t want to admit it?
Holy shit… I just can’t.
Democrats iftas have been paving the way for those concentration camps, but that’s a deflection from the conversation. Harris and Biden was shit for Palestine and didn’t deserve another chance to continue the path they were headed. Liberals refusing to hold their people accountable allowed this to happen.
You got your wish and it will be Trump instead of Harris. Weird that you don’t seem happy about it.
a mod encouraging slapfighting…?
Trump wasnt my wish. Getting rid of Republicans and Democrats is my wish.
It’s a two party system. It was going to be either Harris or Trump. That’s just a hard fact. You didn’t want Harris. There was only one other outcome. So you got your wish.
The real problem is that our own unconscious “normalizes” whatever is established,
including gaslighting.
WHEN gaslighting becomes the frame of reference …
… THEN ideological-rabies has the authority to rule the world.
THEREFORE denormalizing gaslighting is a survival-of-any-civil-rights requirement, that modern-world’s “journalism” abandoned.
So, if the “journalism” corporations abandoned denormalizing gaslighting, who’s left?
https://www.bellingcat.com/ , and … whom?
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Okay, but is this worse or not? Because it sure sounds worse to me.
I don’t get why they’re still going at it over this. This lefty infighting is exactly why fascists that hate each other somehow manage to gain ground.
There’s nothing wrong with using what little power one had in voting blue. It doesn’t mean they’re “pro-genocide”. We’re elbow-deep in a shitty system where we had two awful friggin choices, and the system is designed so that objection is simply removing your voice entirely.
I can understand that rationale on a moral level, to want to abstain from this nonsense entirely. I get it. But also there’s no way we could’ve convinced the majority of a brainwashed country to say “none of these.” (That’s not even an option on many ballots btw). It’d be awesome! But not realistic.
But for the people actively bashing those who voted blue in last-ditch desperation, seriously can you not understand it? Believe me, we know the Dems bring nothing to the table besides “Not being those guys.” I doubt there were so many “Kamala fans” compared to how many were “Not this Cheeto-Toddler shit again” fans.
It’s not about “enabling genocide” or not, to those folks. We figured that a blue win would mean a government that could still be swayed by the people to act against violence, even if the chance was slim!
This compared to a tyrannical regime that will simply iron-fist any dissent to their single-minded aims, and actively make the world worse every day.
We had a razor-thin chance to give ourselves just a little more time to change things.
But here we are:
- It was a struggle to motivate people to vote at all.
- Apathetic squabbling over moral nuance didn’t stand a chance against zealoutous fanaticism.
- What now? Can we finally demolish the Democratic party for failing us while replacing it with those who would speak for us?
It’s time we learn to get along and focus on what is and claw for every inch of ground if we’re going to fix anything. Because they aren’t going to give us any breathing room while we keep dunking on each other for not being “pure enough for the cause.”
I have a modest proposal. It is a way, at very little cost, to solve global warming and save countless human lives from violent deaths. It is the logical option, on purely utilitarian grounds.
I propose that we gather up a list of every ethnic group on Earth. And I’m talking pretty specific here. I’m not talking “European,” or even “German.” No I mean like “Bavarian.” That level of specificity. We’ll have a list thousands of ethnicities long.
I will then cut the list apart. Each ethnicity will be on a paper slip. I will put these slips in a hat, give a few good shakes, and select one ethnicity at random. And I mean truly random. It will be a fair drawing. We select an ethnicity from the hat. Individuals of that ethnicity are left alone.
Everyone else goes to the camps.
In this process, we will, depending on the size of the ethnicity randomly selected, wipe out between 90-99.9% of the entire human population. So, on the downside, we will have to lose…approximately 8 billion lives. That is the downside cost.
But think of the upside! We have randomly selected a single ethnic group and wiped everyone else out. That single ethnic group, while still having numbers large enough for viability, now inhabit an empty world. Global warming is now solved. They’ll have no problem with CO2 emissions, as there’s a planet’s worth of solar panels and batteries waiting for them. Over time, their numbers will doubtlessly grow, and they will eventually repopulate the planet.
But think of what will now happen. At the, admittedly steep cost of 8 billion lives, we’ve now eliminated racism forever! In the long run, they might need to engage in some minor genetic engineering to prevent genetic drift, but that should be quite doable. There will now be only a single ethnicity that all humans will share. Think of how many racial pogroms, expulsions, moral panics, race riots, and outright genocides and race wars have happened through history. We’ve been doing that since the dawn of time. Does anyone today think that we’ll ever be immune from that kind of hatred and violence?
So yes, we lose 8 billion lives today, but in turn, we avoid racial prejudice and violence from now UNTIL THE END OF TIME. And we have no idea the scale of conflicts in the future. In a far space faring future, human population might be in the quintillions. In that kind of society, trillions of deaths by racial violence a year would be the equivalent of the hate crime rate experienced in the US today. And we can prevent all of that by simply ethnically downsizing the human population today!
We pay the cost of 8 billion lives now. But in return, we are going to save trillions, perhaps quadrillions. Project forward billions of years, maybe even quintillions.
From a purely utilitarian point of view, the choice is obvious. We must take the path that will save the most lives. We must commence the omnicide.
/Obviously this is not a serious policy proposal, but an illustration of the flaws of utilitarian ethics. Yes, Kamala getting elected would have been objectively better for the Palestinians. It would have likely net saved lives. But the omnicide would also, on net, save lives. And utilitarian value cannot be the only way we make decisions. Justice and the respect for human life are not some trivial thing to be ignored. Let’s not mince words. Biden abetted a genocide; there can be no excuse for this. If there is a Hell beyond this place, then he has assuredly secured himself a fine residence there. What he did was, in fact, a profoundly wicked act. Evil in any meaning of the word. And Kamala promised to continue that evil. Trump would have objectively done even more evil. But again, utilitarian ethics is not the totality of things.
For millions of voters, their moral compasses simply wouldn’t let them have any part of it. The reason we don’t do the omnicide is that we do not have the right to sacrifice countless innocent people based on our best guesses of how the future will turn out. And it’s completely incompatible with any moral system that places innate value on human life. The moral calculus of the pro-Palestine voters that stayed home works on similar logic.
Yes, per our best estimate on election day, Trump would likely be worse for the Palestinians than Kamala would have been. But that is still in the unknown future. We don’t know what tomorrow will hold. But we do know that Kamala was the VP of a president that abetted a genocide. And we know that Kamala herself says she will continue these policies. She was part of that administration. She has culpability in this. Should she not be held accountable? Does she not objectively deserve punishment? Denying her a victory would be an act of justice for those she helped kill. But in turn, it would cause the election of someone likely to be much worse. But there are people who have already died. There are people today in unbearable suffering because of this. By electing her, you are denying them justice. In exchange for what may come to be in the future.
Or think of it another way. Imagine you had a terrorist leader on trial, someone on the order of Osama Bin Laden. He’s convicted and sentenced to hang. As he’s taken to the gallows, he says, “I have a dozen sleeper cells planted through the US. If I die, expect dozens of suicide bombings across the country within the next few days.” Do you stay his sentence, or put it on hold? Or do you just carry forward, and let these future terrorists be responsible for their own actions?
This is the core problem the Palestine abstainers faced. Are elections more about future policy, or are they about accountability? In truth, they’re both. And different people have different ratios of accountability to future policy that they vote on. I personally voted for Kamala, but I can absolutely get the ethical case for not participating at all in this race. If you care far more for future policy than accountability, you vote for Kamala. If you care far more for accountability than future policy, you stay home. A lot of people picked accountability, and as a consequence, Kamala lost.
But perhaps I, and others who did vote for Kamala, have the worst outcome of any voter. I sold my soul and voted for Kamala. I gave up my one chance to apply the only bit of power I have as a voter to hold her accountable. I did it all because I hoped for a better future. But in the end, it didn’t matter. I lost my chance to hold her accountable, and the greater evil still won.
Brother, for the love of all that is holy, please include a tldr if you are going to write a novel
TL:DR: If you immediately know the candle is fire, the meal was cooked a long time ago.
You put so much work into this post but it is hopelessly naive. Most people are just downvoting but I’ll break it down.
Let’s say the “Bavarians” from your example win the lottery. Who is a Bavarian? How many generations of Bavarians back of both parents being Bavarians do we go? It’s ridiculous.
If you include immigrants to Bavaria, we go right back to skin color racism, so you need “pure bloods”. What about the family that moved to Bavaria in 1879 from Congo?
We are a global society whether we like it or not, and “simple” things like electricity and home water access will definitely stop if 90%+ of the population of earth is eliminated.
You seem to be speaking under the assumption that we will become a spacefaring species, colonizing planets. This is highly dubious with current and predicted technology. If you eliminate most people, do you think this could possibly happen? I personally don’t think it will ever happen.
Oh you’re religious. Nevermind. No point in discussion of the future when you believe there is a dimension we magically travel to when we die.
Thank you for voting. Please continue to vote if we have the option of true elections in the future.
Oh you’re religious. Nevermind.
Man, you were on a good logical counterpoint streak until you seemed to feel the burning desire to jab an ad-hominem in there.
Otherwise all good points.
Please remember the human being behind the post. <3
I shouldn’t have said that. You’re right. It just boiled me when I got to the point where they’re thinking these evil people are going to hell. Believing in afterlife punishment or reward causes people to ignore the reality of life. I feel the same about the ridiculous concept of karma.
I didn’t downvote you, that was someone else.
No hard feelings. :) I understand it’s an emotionally charged topic.
Believing in afterlife punishment or reward causes people to ignore the reality of life.
That’s a fair perspective, but I think like many things it can shift wildly based on the individual’s existing tendencies.
For example, I believe in an afterlife and the persistence of the human soul, but that spurs me to do the very best I can in this life and be accountable for it, rather than waste it.
While, as you said, others inclined to apathy might use that perspective as an excuse to loaf or not hold bad people accountable.
Could not the same be said of not believing in an afterlife? This belief could cause one to value every waking second of consciousness they have… …or they could use it to justify inaction, because “In the long run, what matters anyway?”
Just a thought I had is all.
In either case, perhaps apathy and indifference are our biggest foes.
But hey I appreciate your reply and thanks for not taking my response the wrong way either. I hope you’re doing well today. :)
The naivety is in assuming you’ll get support from a group you’re literally murdering or from people who recognize the damage that supporting such behavior does within a group of people whom a significant percentage identify as a minority population.
If you watch someone curb stomp another person for no fucking reason you dont walk over and high five them. You actively disassociate from that person because they’re fucking nuts and dangerous.
All you assholes did was tell a significant portion of people that you’d happily curb stomp them at the earliest convenience. At the same time you tried to gaslight them with disingenuous arguments about protecting them and other minority groups.
If you’re unwilling to protect one minority group from a fucking genocide who the fuck is going to think you’ll protect them from harassment? Access to mental / healthcare? Economic opportunities? Safety within their communities?
You wouldnt even bother to stop a fucking arm sales and you think you can gaslight people by holding up other minority groups as possible victims as reasons to support your candidate? Fuck off with that noise.
Yet here you are already tossing another minority group under the bus
Oops! And you wonder why we dont support you or buy your morally bankrupt philosophy to enable your behavior.
You’re literally the rapist whispering in their victims ear just let it happen or steve is going to get his chance to do this to you. Its disgusting.
I cant stress thus enough: Kindly fuck off.
You’re assuming I’m a Democrat or a liberal. I am neither. I am a leftist. Currently democratic socialist, but could go over to full socialist if that works well. Then I could move on to anarchist if socialism works well.
I didn’t assume anything about your political associations they’re irrelevant to your support for the above.
Enjoy your genocide. It’s going to get a lot worse.
what a boring and tired take. as we’ve told people repeatedly: genocides can’t get worse. they can only move faster or slower. the end result is the same. biden/harris committed themselves to actively supporting the genocide.
What you’re saying is that israeli atrocities will be more open and reported on which will make you feel more uncomfortable with the situation. well you’ve certainly earned it by burying your head in the sand and not holding biden/harris accountable early and seriously enough that they’d change course.
Problem:
Whatever ethnicity that survives is incapable of disposing of 8 billion people.
Even if they could execute them all (they can’t), they wouldn’t be capable of burying or cremating 8 billion people before the diseases spread by rotting corpses kills them as well.
Congrats! You just came up with a plan for human extinction!
in order to illustrate flaws of utilitarian ethics, you used the exact opposite of utilitarian ethics? this ain’t even strawmanning, it’s just bad.
Read it, agreed,
Im not US citizen to precise,
“Revive” suggests that this goal was ever dead. Israel has been progressively seizing Palestinian land in the West Bank for half a century.
they’re communicating something about their timeframe… they’re announcing they’re about to accelerate again…
Accelerationists are begining to see seeing acceleration…
This thread is full of people who are clearly struggling with the consequences of their actions (their vote, and pushing a false narrative that Harris would be just as bad), and they are coming up with all sorts of creative ways to absolve themselves and relieve their guilt.
It seems like many have settled on “genocide can’t get worse, it can only speed up or slow down, but the end result is the same” without realizing that the distinction is meaningless. A genocide speeding up is the genocide getting worse.
Bad news for those people: it’s just going to get so much worse.
it’s astounding the number of people who don’t understand the scope of our terrifying military power. any amount of killing worldwide can be made worse. it’s extremely easy to imagine if you bother to try. but a stunning number of young people seemingly don’t know how bad things can be. and i’ve said this a few times, but all the people i’m out in the streets protesting these awful things with are people who voted. where the fuck are these people whose morals wouldn’t allow themselves to vote for a candidate supporting genocide? why aren’t they helping us, the people fighting against this? is it that their morals only exist when it’s convenient for them, when it doesn’t endanger their comfort?
could it possibly be they’re more complicit in genocide than they think but refuse to examine the truth of their actions?
The “I did this” sticker is getting pretty wide what with Putin, Netanyahu, Trump, Xi, and the American voter all on it.
Seems like the point, no? Diffuse the responsibility such that the worst atrocities are “everyone’s fault”.
Kinda reminds me of climate change inaction
such that the worst atrocities are “everyone’s fault”.
Ah yes what’s that catchy quote about their modus operandi…
“Privatize the gains, socialize the losses”?
Revive? When was it dead exactly? They seemed to be going Full Tilt for the last couple years. Nothing was stopping them.
I think we’ll all find out exactly what they mean in a couple months.
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says he is planning to effectively annex parts of the occupied West Bank in what would be a major - and highly controversial - act.
Israel Is Officially Annexing the West Bank
A quiet bureaucratic maneuver by Netanyahu’s government has begun transferring control over the occupied territory from military to civilian leadership—violating international law.
Here’s an entire wiki page about all they’ve been doing in the West Bank since 1967.
If you think this is new and is only happening because of Trump, you haven’t been paying attention and are falling for propaganda.
Israeli settlers never killed the idea.
Yes I’m sure the 4 settlers Biden sanctioned for 3 weeks, definitely threw a wrench into Israel’s plan of overtaking the west bank.
It’ll totally be because Trump takes office and not because settlers didn’t just get 14 months of free land grabbing with zero repercussions on top of their yearly land stealing antics ever since Israel’s inception.
Cool, so we can finally dispose the myth of Israel being a democracy, get over chasing the chimera of a two state solution, and crystallize the struggle to the simple, unambiguous goal of ending Jewish supremacy and the apartheid and establishing a democratic republic with equality and rights for everyone from the river to the sea. Cool.
They were calling for annexation of the west bank a month ago, gaza violence never stopped, and they are doing the same now in Lebanon. Are we now pretending that Biden was holding them back? He clearly wasnt.
He even came out to stop Bernie’s proposal to stop arms shipments to Israel, and called the ICC arrest warrant of Netanyahu and Gallant “outrageous” just to drive home the point.
People have called for it but it slowed during the war etc. There’s a reason Smotrich waited until after the American election to announce that he was tasking government officials to draw up plans etc.
Gaza violence is not the same as annexing the West Bank.
Things didnt slow down past the immediate issue of having to redeploy some settler terrorists from the Westbank to Gaza.
Overall they accelerated a lot already in 2024.
It’s worth reading the article. You might be conflating a report released in 2024 with the numbers from 2023.
I am starting to wonder if all the people who decided that voting for Harris was voting for genocide even know that the West Bank and Gaza are totally different places.
They didn’t even know Palestine existed before October 7th
I think most people know Gaza and the west bank are very different places. The point is that the west bank is now being brutalized similar to how gaza was, even though the west banks government was not hamas. Its just another place where israelis can attack palestinians.
“Over 600 West Bank Palestinians have been killed by Israel since the conflict began, including 75 children. The United Nations recorded more than 800 Israeli settler attacks on Palestinians between October 2023 and May 2024.”
Whats going on in the west bank is not about the hostages, its about Israeli racist violence.
“None of the Tiktoks I saw said anything about that, are you sure?”
Genocide
Settlement activity has surged to record levels under Prime Minister Netanyahu, with nearly 6,000 acres designated as state land in 2024 and dozens of new outposts established.
Okay, but this was all done under Biden not Trump?
Why don’t you get back to us in January?
Good luck. This is the sort of person who, after Roe got struck down, insisted that Hillary would have installed the same SCOTUS justices to do the same thing. I really encountered more than one person who made that claim after that happened.
Oh yeah, the presence of this particular mindset is a lot more prevalent here on Lemmy, unfortunately. I call it the “Russian troll farm mentality.” Frankly, I find disingenuousness is less discomforting than outright delusion, because it means they know they’re full of shit. The delusional are just depressing.
Yeah, and since the election, all of the astroturf bots have vanished, leaving only the sad, useful idiots who are doing everything they can to avoid the reality of the consequences of their decisions.
If only they could figure out a solution to the problem of those feisty inhabitants.
A whole lot of coping in this thread by people who were previously doing a lot of work trying to get Trump elected…
“Nuh uh, Netanyahu said this before and he was going to do it anyway!”
I would say that I worry about their mental health, but fuck them.
The smug liberal leans back in his chair.
“That will show them for not voting properly. If only they had voted. I did my one and only civic duty of voting, and it was for the less bad candidate. They’re too busy marching and protesting and organizing to see that the only thing we can all do is vote. If only they voted properly.”
It’s a fact that Trump will hurt their cause more than Kamala. Protest all you want. But also vote for whatever may help your cause. I don’t understand why people don’t understand this.
Because utilitarian ethics isn’t the be and end all of moral decision making? Elections are just as much about holding people accountable as they are about choosing the utilitarian optimal future policy path.
It is crucial to remember that most of history’s greatest atrocities were justified on utilitarian grounds - the greatest good for the greatest many. That’s how eugenics was justified. That’s how the crimes of the Nazis were justified. That’s how the Tuskegee Experiment was justified. And it’s how powerful men get away with being sexual predators. (“Yes, he may be a monster, but he’s doing important work…”)
Utilitarian decision making has its place. But at some point you also have to hold people accountable. And that’s what you’ve missed. Remember, this is the only shot the voters ever got at holding Biden/Kamala responsible for their actions. This is literally the only way we as citizens have of directly holding these people accountable. Protests have their place, but voting is all we get in terms of direct accountability.
What is the point that you would stop using utilitarian ethics and start holding leaders accountable? What crime would be so bad that you wouldn’t vote for a leader if you thought their overall policies would be superior to their opponent? Where do you personally draw the line? Because if you have no line…well God help you. Because you are already lost.
While I sympathize with the goal of wanting to hold people accountable, it is the simple fact of the matter that Republicans were THE alternative. This was the wrong decision in this case
-cold utilitarian
While true, I understand why some people choose not to vote or vote third-party. It’s like the trolley problem, and genocide is a pretty damn good thing to care about, especially when it’s people you identify with getting genocided.
My point was that if liberals joined the left in direct action even outside of elections then our choices would be better in the first place. Voting is the least you can do, and for most rabid Lemmy liberals that go around punching left constantly it’s THE ONLY THING they do.
If they joined the left, we’d all be punching back together. Instead they say “it’s just a little genocide, the other guy is worse, just hold your nose and vote instead of protesting and taking direct political action so we can all go back to doing nothing for 4 more years. You are the problem for being politically engaged out of the voting booth.”
Every step in the right direction is better than taking no steps at all (or worse, taking steps backwards). In this particular instance, and certainty throughout our nation’s history, voting for a third party in a race with so much at stake, mathematically will help out one particular candidate over another. This is because USA uses a very flawed system of “first past the post” voting. In this instance, Trump obviously benefitted. Voting is taking direct political action. It’s not the only form, but it is arguably the most important form of direct political action in this country. It is the way we make lasting and effective change in this country. You can’t just force change all at once. You gotta put in the work.
Edit: I’d also add that I am very much in favor of reforming our voting system. But it must come through the system we currently have. The alternative is violence and chaos, which I am not in favor of.
Every step in the right direction is better than taking no steps at all (or worse, taking steps backwards).
voting DNC is taking no steps at all. it’s neoliberal status quo. brutal no-safety rails capitalism, genocide, and war.
. the only time in this country’s history where people managed to get meaningful concessions out of the ruling class was when the ruling class was afraid. moments like the New Deal where communists were getting serious consideration. moments like the civil rights era where blacks and anti-war advocates were protesting en mass. moments like like stonewall riots which led to rights for gays.
these are steps in the right direction. voting DNC is pissing against the wind deluding yourself that you can somehow outvote fascism in a democracy
Honestly, I wonder people should start a movement that overtly supports capitulation to and cooperation with China. Start a movement that at least portrays things as being better in China, the people in China actually being freer, that leaders are held accountable, etc. Maybe even overtly say that you wouldn’t care if the CCP wholesale took control of the country.
Do I actually espouse or believe any of these things? No. But honestly the ownership class could use a good heart attack once in awhile. Imagine if we had some decent percentage of the population overtly championing Maoism. Suddenly Medicare for All wouldn’t seem so extreme, would it?
I’m split between this would lead to good things and this will usher in a new McCarthy red scare style period.
Ironically though I think we are inching closer to the Chinese system as the Chinese system inches closer to our own.
A- brutal capitalism with workers rights stripped down as much as possible
B- a system where a small group of elites get to make all of the political decisions
C- a state who cooperates with the largest corporations in order to stay in power and maintain high profits
The difference is China has been slowly liberalizing, giving their people slightly more political and economic freedoms. Meanwhile here in the US we are doing rhe opposite.
It’s almost as if we are both converging towards the same end goal. A sort of convergent evolution headed to the government with the highest fitness. Which unfortunately for us peons isn’t designed for us
A general strike would stop project 2025 in its tracks
They have literally been actively doing this over the course of the genocide.
You’re literally making fun of people for actually paying attention to whats happening.
Fucking libs man I swear.
Supporting the least bad option makes the bad option less visble. It is a real and constructive action one can take to make things better and reduce human suffering.
Not supporting the least bad option because it is still bad, makes one feel better and morally cleaner. It does not make things better. It leaves no dent in evil or human suffering.
Actively dissuading other people from choosing the least bad option makes one feel better than others. It is a real and destructive action that increases human suffering.
People who choose moral masturbation over real and beneficial action are not actually driven by empathy for the suffering children of the world. Do not accept for a second that they genuinely want anything else than to feel good.
Is this the least bad option? I’m confused
Not OP, but I believe this is in reference to the election, and the “both sides”-ing of genocide.
Yes, this 100%. And you can tell the difference when some of them (for example, the “Muslims for Trump” woman) have walked it back and admitted they were wrong as soon as they started seeing Trump’s cabinet picks. They’re the ones who actually care about people, and aren’t just trying to make themselves feel ok.
