The atmosphere is so heated, and the statements are getting more and more extreme. Let’s just assume Harris wins the election. After a campaign like this, how could you ever have a normal relationship with your pro-Trump neighbor/father-in-law/Uncle/Barber or what ever again?
It won’t be over when it’s over. If Trump loses we’ll never hear the end of how he was cheated and maga people will get extra weird, maybe violent.
If Trump wins, we’ll have trump for president, which from experience is also not normal.
Sometimes you just don’t talk about politics, to avoid fighting with in-laws. That has always been true, and it will always be true.
But I hope you don’t “go back to normal”, because hundreds of millions of Americans acting “normal” had the power to prevent this kind of scenario from occurring in the first place. Of course there’s a ton of corruption, and shady corporations and billionaires (all of them) are major culprits in the badness, but also we the people have a lot of power to fix problems if we can get ourselves organized and motivated. So let’s do that.
If Trump wins, you don’t
Yeahhhh, that why I rigged this scenario, because “Civil War” would be a very terrifying answer.
We don’t. The hate continues to rise and election season never ends. Well, the never-ending election season might be ending real soon if someone gets their way.
Nothing to get back to when you don’t pay attention in the first place
you don’t. you believe them when they tell you who they are and remove them from your life.
Very easy to hate. But it’s part of the cycle.
It’s not hate to cut horrible people out of your life. You get to pick who you let into your universe. Be picky.
Nah, I cut my parents out of my life entirely due to the racism they have allowed to grow and fester around them in the last few years. I’m completely done with it. Not giving them any reason to think it okay or forgivable.
my dad was spouting trump shit. I don’t know if he was legit or just trying to get a rise out of me, but fuck that. il told him “I don’t associate with trump supporters, so fix that or move on. you raised me better than that, stop drinking Kool aid.”
It isn’t hate. It’s leaving the evil, cruel, and/or misinformed alone.
Or, do what a disturbing number of people have done and make them the centrepiece of your entire life.
Posters all over your house, stickers and flags all over your mobility scooter, hats, T-shirts, the lot.
One of our neighbors had a MAGA collar for their dog…THEIR DOG. Why do they need to drag their DOG into this? He was a good boy. (Was, because the dog passed away from cancer a year or two ago.)
I cut them out. Don’t remember where I heard the quote but there was one that goes something like “Our values are so different that any relationship we could have that doesn’t fall to violence cannot be a genuine one.” Essentially we care about things that are too different to be able to talk to each other honestly and get along.
Isn’t that like half the country? I sometimes get called “harsh” for wanting to cut the ~10% of AFD-Voters entirely out of my life.
Not even close to half. More like 30%. Probably a little less.
About half of voters.
As for the other people who can vote but don’t, even knowing that one “party” is now a secular cult swearing to build the fourth reich…well, you’d have to ask them. Fuck if any normal people can figure it out.
US voter turnout is abysmal, so half of the voters means like 30% of the people.
Call it harsh if you want, but they react to my identity and my beliefs with violence. I’m not going to put myself in that situation and frankly they don’t have anything interesting to say. Why continue a relationship in which I would either have to lie completely about who I am, or tolerate hate speech directed at me or my loved ones? I don’t get anything out of being connected to them, its actively detrimental to my well being. The ones who were family I made it clear that they would not have a relationship with me if they kept at it and they did, so they chose hate over me.
Idk maybe I’m getting older, but I’ve been through enough elections in my life to step back and see that this happens every time. The Internet turns to shit and everyone flings shit for a few days and then it’s back to normal.
I feel like I’m past my prime in caring as much this year. My battles were fought in the past and now I’m disinterested in politics because I’ve been disappointed every time.
Hi. Looking at your recent post history, I think you might be a right-winger pretending to be a socialist who is arguing for not engaging in this election in order to ensure Trump wins. If that is true, you’re unpleasant.
It’s unpleasant that you assume this
I’m flattered you looked at my history, but you didn’t have to spam my comments. Yeah I’m a Bernie guy, not a Republican. I feel like the democratic party has given up on progressives like me so I’m disinterested in voting this time around. I’m getting tired of people accusing me of being a trump supporter, not going to lie.
I’ve always been a very anti war person and find it funny everyone is calling Trump Hitler when Biden/Harris are actively supporting genocide. But hey what do I know, right? “Vote blue no matter who” bullshit every year with no primary, right?
I feel as if boycotting this election is the moral high ground and it’s fucking rude that people keep telling me it’s equal to voting for Trump. How is that a tactic to get people to vote for your person anyway?
There is no “vote blue, no matter who”. There is “vote against fascism”, plus many of us like the blue candidate.
I’m all for your goal of two sane candidates, one blue and one progressive, and will be very happy to join that debate. Let’s get there first
Sorry but I think people are taking the whole Trump = fascist thing too seriously. Both candidates are really middle of the road moderate. People just get really excited right before the election
You have to think of the lack of primary as a sunk cost. The decision in front of you is independent of all previous decisions.
So, we just going to reward that?
Certainly not. But choosing to punish at this precise opportunity would be like shooting your own feet.
Punish at the local level. Punish by supporting voting reform. Etc.
Boycotting is a powerful tool and should be respected as much as voting
Not voting at all is just laziness.
Spoiled ballots may have some long term influence. But they have no power over the election being boycotted.
I feel as if boycotting this election is the moral high ground and it’s fucking rude that people keep telling me it’s equal to voting for Trump
It’s fucking rude that you’re prioritizing a fake moral high ground over the lives of the people who will suffer and die under the fascist GOP.
No different from voting 3rd party
Yeah, that’s shitty too.
Sorry you have main character syndrome 😕
I’m not even talking about myself. Quit bullshiting
Past elections didn’t have one of the candidates spouting Nazi rhetoric, though. I think this election is a whole lot different (and holds more at stake) than Bush vs Gore, for example.
More at stake than Bush vs Gore? Bro forgot about the 20 year war already
You are seriously overestimating how many people are emotionally invested in this shit show.
Most adults understand that this is a regime circle jerk so they focus their energy on providing for their families.
Something that is nearly impossible to understand if you browser dnc acolyte occupied subs screeching FaSCIsm
Found the white cis male.
No you didn’t, and that’s a dumb fuckin thing to think, much less say.
You found the dipshit.
why u mad tho?
Yes, only a white straight man would ever prioritize to provide his family over doing political circle jerk 🤡
Not a woman, nor a gay parent would take such disgusting position!
This woman would. I have a family too, you shitbrained gaslighting mongoloid russki.
And even then, there are a lot of straight white males who are very not cool with the MAGA idiocy because they’re not troglodytes, have people in their lives that are non-heterosexual, non-white, and non-male that they care deeply about and who Trump et al will specifically aim to harm, care about history and can see the harrowing parallels that are happening today, or some combination of the above.
Source: am straight white male, and while I’m only reasonably sure I’m not a troglodyte, the other parts are definitely true for me.
Note that i didnt bring this idiocy up.
I spoke for the american population as a whole. Some idiot turned it into “white cis” male issue…
Which it aint…
Statistically speaking, it very much is.
single largest group within the US is the straight, white woman…
Learn to read, my very intelligent american;)
What are you even trying to do here. You are adding nothing to the conversation. You’re trying to be pithy, and you’re failing abjectly at even that.
Also, nice diminutive gender-hostile condescension.
Sorry my english might be too bad, what exactly is your point?
Adults have have other, more important priorities
That’s been a growing issue for the last 15 years. The answer is community groups but they haven’t been very successful.
Help them to understand what happened and what will happen. After 2016, I had to explain to my lib family members that no, black people didn’t cause Hillary to lose, the dems gave us trump by failing to even promise to improve people’s material conditions, and to my conservative acquaintances “no, trump is not draining the swamp, he is a billionaire, he IS the swamp.”
In 2020, it was “no, Biden isn’t going to stop covid, empty the migrant camps, or abolish the police, he’s going to continue 95% of Trump’s policies, we’ve seen this all before under Clinton and Obama.”
The simple answer, if they wrap their entire personality up into red or blue I don’t associate with em anyway. The fools who believe either side cares for them is hilarious. Frankly until there is a third option to split the vote it’s one giant dumpster fire regardless of which rich fuck wins.
Our regional election’s up in the air as so many districts had a third party spoil it that the cruel aristocracy won. Time and time again, like some Stein nightmare made real.
Like:
- progressive 48%
- conservative 49%
- third party splitter 3%
Our popular vote is 48.52%, 48.51%, 2.87% .
In every case the no-chance green vote killed a majority. We’re going to end-up conservative, and led by a climate-change denying anti-vax Mr Burns.
Bot, #bothSides, right?
Oh, that’s easy; we don’t! Every four years, the fabric of our society frays and tears a little more, while our politicians either exploit our divisions or attempt to repair them without making any changes to the material conditions or systemic problems that create these fractures, because fixing these underlying issues would upset the handful of billionaires that actually control our government! But there’s a new Fast & Furious movie every two or three years, so it balances out.
Not only that, but if they fix the problems that they used to get your votes, they can’t use them again next election, and we can’t have that so at most you get a pittance of “fixes” while they just blame the other side for blocking it and then the other side does it with a few of their issues. And we’ll keep voting for them too because A) who else? B) the other guy is worse, and C) this time they really will fix everything they continually run on. Any day now…
because fixing these underlying issues would upset the handful of billionaires that actually control our government
And how exactly are they supposed to do that without a super majority that is impossible with the population continuing to elect MAGA Republicans?
There is no bipartisan possibilities. No one from the right will step across the aisle to make constitutional amendments or impeach corrupt SCOTUS justices or fascist party members. And they’d need 1/3rd of them to do so for the authority to fix anything.
There is no moving on. Nothing can be fixed. Voters should have woken up after Jan 6th, but Republicans still gained seats in the mid term elections.
There is no legal path to fixing this, we can only do our best to bail water and keep them from sinking the ship.
History didn’t start in 2016. The Democrats were happy to cozy up to the Silicone Valley tech giants, even as they developed into monopolies whose products gave users the very brain-poisoning that delivered Trump. They were happy to prioritize Wall Street bailouts over homeowners’ bailouts after the subprime mortgage crises, even if meant their constituents lost their homes. They’ve been happy to sideline or undermine anyone who dares run to their left, from Bernie Sanders to Rashida Tlaib.
The Democrats are not well-meaning, helpless progressives that just can’t get anything done because of America’s byzantine political structure. They have actively stopped any significant changes to the status quo in order to keep their donors happy. They’ve spent decades deluding themselves into thinking they could somehow improve conditions for the working class without demanding concessions from the billionaire class, even as the largest wealth transfer in history, from the lowest income Americans to the highest income Americans, was taking place. They may not be as vile or hateful as the Republicans, but they are just as responsible for America’s decay.
There’s miles of difference between the damage that corporate stooges do versus a literal fascist movement. If this were the 2000s, yeah, I’d be with you all the way, both sides pillaging our futures and all that.
But you’re focused on that asshole stealing your catalytic converter down the street, when you’re actively getting mugged and curb stomped, here and now.
There is a very real possibility of this country descending into fascist dictatorship, and/or huge loss of life from an ensuing Civil War.
Right now, the Dems are at least united like they haven’t been in recent memory because they finally understand what’s at stake. It is absolutely infuriating that you guys are still nitpicking over comparatively trivial stuff compared to cataclysm.
This isn’t hyperbole, this is literally what they have been repeatedly caught expressly trying to accomplish. Yes, it seems like it’s crazy to consider that they might actually achieve their goals. But with everything we know, Trump is still very likely to win this election thanks to people like you who can’t seem to prioritize the violent muggers trying to kill you, over the guy stealing your catalytic converter.
What about my original comment led you to believe I thought they were equivalent? As I said, Republicans are vile, hateful, and exploiting our political divisions for power. But the Democrats are just as responsible for the material conditions that have allowed facism to flourish, and demanding accountability and change for that isn’t nitpicking. If the Democrats don’t stop being corporate stooges, this doesn’t end if Trump is defeated; it ends when another fascist finally wins.
Yup, but they’re all we got at the moment.
Yup. We gotta vote for them this election, but replace them in the next. Otherwise, we’re just hitting snooze on fascism for another 4 years.
This is the new normal. It’s everyone angry all the time until something snaps or the culture changes. Personally I believe you have to wait until the older part of Gen X is dead before we get relief.
this is normal. half the country is composed of backward degenerates.
