OMG CHINA BASED?!

  • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    1 month ago

    In my 6 visits to China I was always struck with how ultra capitalist it is. Everyone is hustling and the religion is money, far beyond in the US

      • idunnololz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        1 month ago

        Not OP and I haven’t been in a decade but every time in the past I went I was always shocked by how much bribery or “gift giving” was ingrained into the culture. I heard it’s less of a thing now though but I cannot confirm.

        • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
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          1 month ago

          I think I heard about this, you’re expected to haggle for the price of everything you buy? Shopping takes ages

          • idunnololz@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            There are western style malls in China that you do not haggle in. There are also big brand stores. It’s only really small malls and like street vendors where haggle and only for specific types of items usually. Like you don’t haggle food for instance.

            That being said, you do haggle a lot especially when shopping at mom and pop (usually clothing) stores.

    • Kaboom@reddthat.comEnglish
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      1 month ago

      All Chinese companies are owned by the Chinese government. It’s still a centralized economy.

          • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
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            1 month ago

            Like i said, people really don’t understand what communism is. They fill in the bits they dont know with any old crap that comes into their heads.

              • barsquid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                1 month ago

                That’s fantastic. Someone should tell Hexbear we can get to communism by simply giving billionaires all the remaining money.

              • YeetPics@mander.xyzEnglish
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                1 month ago

                And not a communist one.

                The means of production belong to the government which belongs to muskrat, et cetera.

                You understand the transitive property of ownership, yes?

                The people exist only to buy from the government owned corporations.

          • Comment105@lemm.eeEnglish
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            1 month ago

            The social democracies of Northern Europe meet more of the goals of communism than China does.

            You know, the parts that actually make life better for people.

            It seems to have started to falter, though. The will to keep it going seems to be withering as people are increasingly mocking anyone on welfare without being completely disabled, and thinking about how much nicer their houses and vacations and parties could be if taxes were lower.

            • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
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              1 month ago

              I admit that China’s mass infrastructure project impresses me. Unfortunately, their building standards are lacklustre, and the skyscrapers are falling apart.

              There are longer videos of their skyscrapers. Such as one where a man can literally dig through the concrete columns

        • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          1 month ago

          Tbf child labor gucci shoes would still be possible under communism, you just wouldn’t “buy” them technically (though nobody has been able to explain to me how “everything’s just free now” would work. They just say “no more money” and, ok, but then how do we entice people to do things that aren’t fun but are necessary? Usually the answer is “someone will want to clean septic tanks” and I know there’s a couple coprophiliacs out there, but I can’t imagine it’s enough to sustain the septic industry on fetishists alone.)

          • beam_follower@lemmy.todayEnglish
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            1 month ago

            I believe that once the useless/unproductive jobs are gone, people are free to do what they love to do ( as there is no threat of starvation) , there will be inventions (robots for example) to take care of tasks such as cleaning septic tanks , better designs reducing need for cleaning or even newer tech to do away with septic tanks.

              • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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                1 month ago

                Thing is a ton of people who could be thinking are instead forced to do repetitive labor for a living. While the automated septic cleaning robot probably won’t happen, I’m sure we’ll see waste reduction after allowing them to think instead of just survive

            • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              1 month ago

              First of all I believe it’d be prudent to invent the slave robots and food replicators first, not just “hope someone invents them now that they’re bored.”

              Furthermore I am fairly certain robotics and science-fictional tech would require highly skilled engineers who would have to go to school for it now that they’re “bored.” You can’t just be like “well I’m bored because I’m no longer a plumber I think I’ll invent a time machine.”

              • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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                1 month ago

                Yup. If socialism/communism actually produced innovations like this, all the various socialist economies would have gotten there already. But no, they all basically fell back on capitalism, because it turns out that people are kind of selfish and pitting people against each other in a competitive market tends to work better. It’s not ideal, but most if not all of the innovations have come from capitalist countries…

                • goat@sh.itjust.worksOPMEnglish
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                  1 month ago

                  I still reckon communism will make a resurgence sometime in the future, maybe even in our lifetimes.

                  alas, tankies will never actually revolt. Too passive, too scared and sensitive. They need trigger words, lol. Can you imagine trying to revolt when they can’t handle certain stimuli?

                • beam_follower@lemmy.todayEnglish
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                  1 month ago

                  I suppose none of the ‘isms work , until competition for resources is eradicated. When there is nothing that can be gained from others ( sufficient and equal distribution of resources) , the greed goes away . This transformation needs spiritual (not religious) evolution too.

                  For all that to happen , population needs to go down (no genocide or wars , just education and birth control. Each married woman to have maximum of 3 children, with a minimum of 7 year gap between each child birth and in around 800 years we can reach population goal of half a billion )

                  ( Earth can support human population of 528 million only, for all flora and fauna are to have equal room for their own progression. And we are currently around 9-9.5 billion)

          • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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            1 month ago

            Realistically, the tanks will be cleaned because the city smells awful and someone will have to clean it. We already have volunteer organizations in the present day despite the system.