For most of the decade I was on Reddit, vegan support was always met with vitriolic opposition unless it was on a vegan-friendly sub. But the last year or so I was on that platform I remember being really surprised to see a trend towards anti-vegan sentiment becoming the unpopular opinion. I was surprised again once I joined Lemmy to see that anti-vegan culture seems to be the popular opinion here, though I’m noticing there is also a stronger pro-vegan culture than there had been for most of my time on Reddit.
you post 2 memes like this per day and then wonder why people hate vegans
You don’t have to be vegan to agree that animal farming of the 21st century is cruel and we could do better than that
But it’s easier to whinge like a reactionary at the people demanding an end to the systematic breeding into existence of animals for the sole purpose of exploiting and killing when ending that unfathomably cruel system gives me the ickies 😭
Animals don’t inherently deserve ethical treatment. My only gripe is the carbon emissions, so I just eat lots of chicken
Vegans when they ruin every community they preach in, other than !vegan.
When the staunchly leftist community has more vegan users then average (who would’ve guessed???)
Actually, it’s quite surprising and disappointing how most leftists (or ostensibly left-leaning people) correctly shape their political views around being anti-exploitation and pro-liberation, only to immediately become reactionaries when it comes to ending animal exploitation.
Well said.
Yeah it’s actually really funny how many hardcore leftists turn into neoliberals the second a vegan walks into the room.
I was more referring to like, given that most vegans tend to be leftist, any community that has a lot of leftists is probably going to have more than a few vegans.
dont care what you eat but more than half my feed has been vegan protesting and im starting to get annoyed (yes i eat meat yes im trying to reduce my consumtion of said meat(it tastes bad)but ffs go post this shit in some steak subreddit where people will see it that should)
Would you say the same thing if the posts were protesting a different issue?
Pro-environment memes get posted here all the time and nobody complains about them, even though they almost certainly outweigh the vegan ones.
thats a fair point ig
That’s because animals aren’t human. They should be exploited
No, they should not. What the fuck is wrong with you?
when people stop being exploited then I’ll worry about the animals.
Go vegan and you’ll cut your grocery bill by up to 1/3rd. Give that money to charity. Now you’re actually acting on both issues instead of resorting to meaningless whataboutisms that help neither humans nor animals.
go fuck yourself and stop assuming people don’t already know what’s best about their diets for themselves
Please think about why this makes you so angry.
Love seeing more vegan memes and content.
One thing that a lot of leftists do, they go on about how all hierarchy is bad and thats why they became leftists, but when someone brings up that animal farming requires hierarchical thinking, suddenly some hierarchy is good.
When you’re a leftist and you get criticized, you’re supposed to learn from it and become a better leftist. But if your first principles are falling apart at the dairy isle, you’re not being real with me saying you’re a leftist, you’re not living according to your principles.
You know that scene in mad Max fury road where women are pumped for their breast milk? Turns out we’ve been doing the same thing to cows for a while.
thank u cows for the milk 😋
More than a third of US children do not live with both of their biological parents. If we are okay with separating human children from their parents, why should we treat cows better?
What an absolutely bizarre whataboutism, so vapid and self-evidently disingenuous that I can’t believe I’m about to waste my time picking it apart, but here we go:
First of all, rescuing children from traumatically abusive environments is not the same as what the meat industry does to calves. Separation from parents is inherently traumatic itself, but that needs to be weighed against the degree of harm that the abusive parent might do, on a case-by-case basis.
Secondly, there are certainly cases of the government separating children from their parents that should be protested. Like when Texas defines transgender-affirming households to be committing child abuse and uses that as a reason to forcibly separate the child. Or when immigration control separates migrant children from their parents.
This might come as a shock to you, but it’s possible to care about and advocate for more than one issue at a time. I don’t know if your emotional capacity might be limited to just caring about one thing, but most people don’t suffer from that limitation.
Not living with biological parents is different than being seperated, living alone in small veal cages, and ultimately being killed as a child for veal as happens for male calves
We also do not intentionally seperate all child from their parents regardless of circumstances. Maybe a tiny amount from child protective services for abusive parents, but it’s not like the dairy industry is doing so because of abusive cow parents
What is with all the anti-meat industry posts popping up recently? It’s starting to feel like an astroturf campaign…
Trolls that primarily are active on vegan communities learning they could troll here without the mods telling them to pack it up.
TIL caring about issues that cause unimaginable degrees of unnecessary suffering and also threaten to end human civilization as we know it is trolling.
Today I learned people sharing their opinions is “astroturfing”
Most likely more people being aware of it, and then people seeing those posts doing well leads to more posts like that
Arguably, you should be moreso concerned about the opposite. The industry runs well known astroturfing campaigns:
NCBA [National Cattlemen’s Beef Association] calls it “proactive reputation management”: a strategy that entails monitoring the internet for messaging opportunities, then leaping in to burnish beef’s image whenever it’s advantageous
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine
The meat industry has helped fund research and communications initiatives to minimize its links to climate change. And it has organized astroturf attacks on initiatives like EAT-Lancet
https://newrepublic.com/article/177575/never-trust-green-meat
You are literally the one posting these. It’s all you appear to post about.
There are plenty of other people posting about the meat industry. I’ve seen people making the same comments on places. It’s also in part because many people are just seeing the vegan circle jerk community posts on the all feed. That also shapes perception too
One example of someone complaining about just that on someone else’s post (comment ended up getting removed by a mod because of other parts of their comment, but you can infer based on replies) https://lemmy.ml/post/16139346/11287396
Yes. Mostly one topic posters.
Vegans posting about the meat industry are the like non-gamers posting about the evils of the gaming industry with a dash of moral superiority.
It’s weird for someone to center their entire online personality around something they do not do.
Hot take: It’s good when non-gamers talk about abuses in the gaming industry
The example honestly doesn’t make much sense to me. You take issue with someone daring to want to talk about the worker abuses in the gaming industry? Are we to forbid someone from being passionate about an issue?
Someone caring about the harm in an industry doesn’t make them think they are “morally superior”. Posting about the harms in an industry is to raise awareness of that harm. It’s not about one self at all
Your passion is no different than that of the antiabortionists.
You won’t accept nuance, you don’t want to have a discussion, you want your agenda to be heard and the world to bend to your view of how things ought to be.
Your idea of nuance would have us all sitting on our hands while unsustainable industries make the world we live in uninhabitable and put an end to humanity as we know it.
I do accept discussion, and rely heavily on source based discussion. I cite nearly everything I say. See how I cited two sources earlier when I made a claim about meat industry funded astroturfing
When people have critiques based on their own sources, or methodological/other critiques of the sources I provide, there is a good back and forth.
Even when other people never provide a single source, I still converse and provide sources for my claims
I qualify my claims to reflect what the data and research actually says. That’s what nuance looks like. When people argue for a specific claim that makes things more complicated, I respond to their claim about that specific issue. That’s also what nuance looks like
Look at it another way - do we REALLY need that much meat production? Probably not. Vegans have been living just fine this whole tome, and meat is very resource intensive to produce anyway, so one could argue you’d get even more food from stopping.
Is it causing massive issues even aside from the suffering of animals? Yeah, agriculture plays quite a significant part in CO2 emissions. Not to mention the polluting of rivers.
Also, I don’t really see your point of ‘they don’t want to have a discussion’. You’re literally having a discussion with them right now.
Your passion is no different than that of the antiabortionists.
You won’t accept nuance
These two statements juxtaposed just took 7 years off my life
Yeah, and those abolitionists man. Like, I get it, you don’t own slaves. Can’t they just shut up and lay off the slave owners?
Are you comparing animal husbandry to owning slaves?
Militant vegans are a silly people.
Of course not. Animals are inferior by nature and were made to be owned by humans. It’s just the natural order of things. We even have a special word for it. We call it husbandry, isn’t that cute? Just like how a husband owns his wife, women being creatures that act on instincts and emotions instead of reason.
Don’t give up on posting. I like those posts.
Astroturfing implies that a corporation or government agency with large amounts of funding are paying individuals or bots to spread misinformation for their employer’s financial or strategic benefit.
You might not know this, but there isn’t a “Big Vegan” industry with deep pockets to financially support astroturfing. Agrobusinesses that grow vegetation make more money off the meat industry than they would if they centered their produce around vegetarian or vegan diets. Businesses that do cater to vegans barely manage to scrape by and have no margins to support social media manipulation; they barely even have budget for conventional marketing.
What you’re actually witnessing is legitimate grassroots efforts to inform people about the harm that the meat industry causes. You see “astroturfing” doesn’t mean “a lot of people are saying things I don’t like”. It actually means “grassroots campaign but fake”, hence the name “astroturf”, which is a fake kind of grass.
The fediverse is just hugely left-wing and with a lot of far-flung left wing posters to boot. It’s not an astroturf campaign just a place a lot of outsiders gather.
I don’t know who would pay for this, there isn’t really any moneyed interest that would gain from turning public opinion against meat
