Wondering if Modern LLMs like GPT4, Claude Sonnet and llama 3 are closer to human intelligence or next word predictor. Also not sure if this graph is right way to visualize it.

  • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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    2 months ago

    That’s literally how llma work, they quite literally are just next word predictors. There is zero intelligence to them.

    It’s literally a while token is not “stop”, predict next token.

    It’s just that they are pretty good at predicting the next token so it feels like intelligence.

    So on your graph, it would be a vertical line at 0.

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      2 months ago

      This is true if you describe a pure llm, like gpt3

      However systems like claude, gpt4o and 1o are far from just a single llm, they are a blend of llm’s other machine learning (like image recognition) some old fashioned code.

      Op does ask “modern llm” so technically you are right but i believed they did mean the more advanced “products”

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        2 months ago

        None of which are intelligence, and all of which are catered towards predicting the next token.

        All the models have a total reliance on data and structure for inference and prediction. They appear intelligent but they are not.

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          1 month ago

          How is good old fashioned code comparing outputs to a database of factual knowledge “predicting the next token” to you. Or reinforcement relearning and token rewards baked into models.

          I can tell you have not actually tried to work with professional ai or looked at the research papers.

          Yes none of it is “intelligent” but i would counter that with neither are human beings, we dont even know how to define intelligence.

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        2 months ago

        No, unfortunately you are wrong.

        Gpt4 is a better version of gpt3.

        The brand new one that is allegedly “unhackable” just has a role hierarchy providing rules and that hasn’t been fulled tested in the wild yet.

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        1 month ago

        yeah yeah I’ve heard this argument before. “What is learning if not like training.” I’m not going to define it here. It doesn’t “think”. It doesn’t have nuance. It is simply a prediction engine. A very good prediction engine, but that’s all it is. I spent several months of unemployment teaching myself the ins and outs, developing against llms, training a few of my own. I’m very aware that it is not intelligence. It is a very clever trick it pulls off, and easy to fool people that it is intelligence - but it’s not.

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          1 month ago

          But how do you know that the human brain is not just a super sophisticated next-thing predictor that by being super sophisticated manages to incorporate nuance and all that stuff to actually be intelligent? Not saying it is but still.

          • Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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            1 month ago

            Because we have reason, understanding. Take something as simple as the XY problem. Humans understand that there are nuances to prompts and questions. I like the XY because a human knows to step back and ask “what are you really trying to do?”. AI doesn’t have that capability, it doesn’t have reasoning to say “maybe your approach is wrong”.

            So, I’m not the one to define what it is or on what scale. But I can say that it’s not human intelligence.