Support from some Pennsylvania Muslim leaders for Josh Shapiro has revealed rifts within the community and highlighted Muslim and Arab-American voters’ desire to center Palestinian rights this election.
I will never understand people who vote third party. It’s absolutely not a viable option if you actually care about reforming voting laws (or, you know, stopping fucking fascists from taking over, as the case is in this election)
For me personally it is about dignity. I am not voting for someone who as VP -stood silent- cheered on while their boss enabled the worst genocide of our lifetime and whose likely VP pick volunteered to kill Palestinians and called Palestinians savages. Is this not fascism? Or is fascism is only when bad things happen to white people?
This is not fascism. It’s vile, but a different type of vileness.
People are in a difficult place right now; the options are: vote for the guy who will make life demonstrably worse for everyone and has a chance of winning, for the woman who doesn’t appear to care about the genocide and has a chance of winning, or voting any other way and effectively wasting your vote because it won’t even make it past the post.
If you saw the images I saw you probably would have developed a whole different perspective. I am not in any way shape or form better than the little girl that got her jaw blown up by a bomb Biden sent Israel. What used to scare me or matter to me has changed significantly.
Heck if Trump throws me in an internment camp at least I will have the excuse of being in an internment camp for not doing anything about the genocide. And if he drops a bomb on my house even better, one less bomb dropped on Palestine. I will gladly send Trump my home address. It won’t be the first time.
I get the fury. I really do. But consider that, pragmatically, voting 3rd party just increases the chance Trump gets in. And if you don’t think Trump would sortie a squadron or three of B-52s to “help” bibi and carpet bomb Gaza, coincidentally clearing the way for the new Trump Gaza Tower within a week of taking office, you’re honestly kidding yourself.
TL;DR: don’t let emotion blind you. Vote tactically, in a way that offers the most utility, and allows the least harm. And try to look beyond the first-order effects.
The Democratic Party ignoring legitimate grievances increases the chance Trump gets in.
You fear Trump more than we do. Biden is already sending Israel thousands of bombs that have killed over 40,000 people. Over 70% of Gaza is already destroyed. Universities destroyed, hospitals destroyed, water wells and treatment destroyed, polio is epidemic, … You really can’t scare us with Trump being worse. No one is voting for him, but we don’t fear him.
TL;DR: You fear Trump, if you want Arab and Muslim Americans to care like we did in 2020 you have to do much more than Trump will be worse. When we cared and volunteered and donated in 2020 we were rewarded with a genocide.
This response makes me strongly suspect you are not an Arab-American. You’d trade a candidate with an admittedly unclear stance towards the Middle East (context: in an election where AIPAC will absolutely firehose money at anyone who is even slightly critical of Israel, so to me, this stance is the obvious pragmatic - if unfortunately opaque - move in a system woefully corrupted by money) for a guy who checks noteswants to ban muslims from entering the country…?
You can’t really threaten Arab voters with a Muslim ban when someone currently in office is enabling a genocide against their family members. Literally everything else falls by the wayside. That’s the top tier war crime. It’s like being stabbed and someone says watch out, that other guy wants to shoot you. You’re not going to net support for the guy stabbing you that way.
Now saying that, I’m voting for Harris, but I get why Arab American and other voters wouldn’t, but… only if she picked Shapiro or someone like that (like Fetterman but he’s not on the list lol). Otherwise, Harris seems to be better on the issue than Biden, as VP’s don’t have a lot of say in policy unless they’re Dick Cheney and she can easily separate herself from Biden’s policies. And we know Trump will be bad on the issue, he’s also a known quantity. Hopefully Kamala can thread the needle of being a “new” quality on this issue. Although AIPAC probably won’t have that lol.
It is strange that you think a ban on Muslims entering the US is worse than a genocide.
It is also weak that you would resort to an ad hominem attack. Usually I would just block someone who does but for some reason [sleep depravation?] I am in a generous mood, so I will refute THEN block. Now everyone will see my lousy handwriting :(
I will never understand people who vote third party. It’s absolutely not a viable option if you actually care about reforming voting laws (or, you know, stopping fucking fascists from taking over, as the case is in this election)
Small brain take. Piss ant energy.
For me personally it is about dignity. I am not voting for someone who as VP
-stood silent-cheered on while their boss enabled the worst genocide of our lifetime and whose likely VP pick volunteered to kill Palestinians and called Palestinians savages. Is this not fascism? Or is fascism is only when bad things happen to white people?Goes without saying not voting for Trump either.
This is not fascism. It’s vile, but a different type of vileness.
People are in a difficult place right now; the options are: vote for the guy who will make life demonstrably worse for everyone and has a chance of winning, for the woman who doesn’t appear to care about the genocide and has a chance of winning, or voting any other way and effectively wasting your vote because it won’t even make it past the post.
If you saw the images I saw you probably would have developed a whole different perspective. I am not in any way shape or form better than the little girl that got her jaw blown up by a bomb Biden sent Israel. What used to scare me or matter to me has changed significantly.
Heck if Trump throws me in an internment camp at least I will have the excuse of being in an internment camp for not doing anything about the genocide. And if he drops a bomb on my house even better, one less bomb dropped on Palestine. I will gladly send Trump my home address. It won’t be the first time.
I get the fury. I really do. But consider that, pragmatically, voting 3rd party just increases the chance Trump gets in. And if you don’t think Trump would sortie a squadron or three of B-52s to “help” bibi and carpet bomb Gaza, coincidentally clearing the way for the new Trump Gaza Tower within a week of taking office, you’re honestly kidding yourself.
TL;DR: don’t let emotion blind you. Vote tactically, in a way that offers the most utility, and allows the least harm. And try to look beyond the first-order effects.
The Democratic Party ignoring legitimate grievances increases the chance Trump gets in.
You fear Trump more than we do. Biden is already sending Israel thousands of bombs that have killed over 40,000 people. Over 70% of Gaza is already destroyed. Universities destroyed, hospitals destroyed, water wells and treatment destroyed, polio is epidemic, … You really can’t scare us with Trump being worse. No one is voting for him, but we don’t fear him.
TL;DR: You fear Trump, if you want Arab and Muslim Americans to care like we did in 2020 you have to do much more than Trump will be worse. When we cared and volunteered and donated in 2020 we were rewarded with a genocide.
This response makes me strongly suspect you are not an Arab-American. You’d trade a candidate with an admittedly unclear stance towards the Middle East (context: in an election where AIPAC will absolutely firehose money at anyone who is even slightly critical of Israel, so to me, this stance is the obvious pragmatic - if unfortunately opaque - move in a system woefully corrupted by money) for a guy who checks notes wants to ban muslims from entering the country…?
I call bullshit.
You can’t really threaten Arab voters with a Muslim ban when someone currently in office is enabling a genocide against their family members. Literally everything else falls by the wayside. That’s the top tier war crime. It’s like being stabbed and someone says watch out, that other guy wants to shoot you. You’re not going to net support for the guy stabbing you that way.
Now saying that, I’m voting for Harris, but I get why Arab American and other voters wouldn’t, but… only if she picked Shapiro or someone like that (like Fetterman but he’s not on the list lol). Otherwise, Harris seems to be better on the issue than Biden, as VP’s don’t have a lot of say in policy unless they’re Dick Cheney and she can easily separate herself from Biden’s policies. And we know Trump will be bad on the issue, he’s also a known quantity. Hopefully Kamala can thread the needle of being a “new” quality on this issue. Although AIPAC probably won’t have that lol.
It is strange that you think a ban on Muslims entering the US is worse than a genocide.
It is also weak that you would resort to an ad hominem attack. Usually I would just block someone who does but for some reason [sleep depravation?] I am in a generous mood, so I will refute THEN block. Now everyone will see my lousy handwriting :(
If you’re not voting for Harris, then you’re voting for Trump.
Voting 3rd party nets you 3 votes apparently: