The EU would like you all to bend a little lower and gag
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/issues/18
Well, I never gave them permission to install Google Chrome. Maybe they should start thinking about their self first…
Maybe this would be a push for a real open source based phone. GNU/Linux phones needed this push to really get more popularity
You can’t sideload on Linux.
…because why "sideload"when frontload works directly? I guess…maybe it’s your cuckold fetish to watch someone else nerd your box…
Don’t even try to get me started on windoze until the fucking Epstein files are releeased.
Not if age verification apps have any say.
https://github.com/eu-digital-identity-wallet/av-doc-technical-specification/issues/18
I hope this means the resurgence of cheap flip phones. I have no use for a pocket computer that I can’t use like a computer. I went with Android because iOS was useless, and now Android is about to be made equally useless.
Will be interesting to see how many people move over to iOS now that Google is trashing Android’s redeeming feature.
I’ve enabled the advanced protection and it’s so easy to turn off to install a single app and turn back on but I haven’t seen it as an issue. Is there something new now? Because I’m not seeing an issue here.
Yes they are, for all intents and purposes, making it impossible to turn off advanced protection. The only way to install unverified apps will be via developer mode and if you turn that on a bunch of apps refuse to run until you turn it back off
The only way to install unverified apps will be via developer mode and if you turn that on a bunch of apps refuse to run until you turn it back off.
Wait, when did this become a thing? I’ve had developer mode turned on on my phone for ages without any issues.
Not sure when exactly but some banking apps in the UK refuse to run if they detect developer mode is enabled and, given the general trend towards locking everything down, I expect many other mainstream apps to enforce these checks at some point.
I guess one could run two phones, an official phone for banking etc and another one with dev mode for pissing around but these rules will reduce the number of people who install unverified apps to a very small number
Well fuck that then. I guess I’m going to have to get a graphene OS put on this mother fucker.
That’s really too bad because I did appreciate all the other features of advanced protection except for that.
Presumably, rooted users/custom ROMs should be able to get around this, but how many developers are going to continue to support development and/or release .apk files if it’s only a tiny subset of the userbase they can reach?
Didn’t Google just fuck with them by making it really hard to developed graphene for pixel 10? If graphene os depends on the aging fleet of pixel 9s and older, they’re a few years away from being screwed too.
Still sucks for the OSS community as a whole though.
I have a question for all Pixel/Graphen OS users. Will these changes affect new users (I am currently interested in purchasing a Pixel 8 to install Graphen OS for the first time and want to use apps from outside the Google Store) and current users (if I want to install an app on GraphenOS, e.g. via F-droid or Aurora Store, will I be able to do so in the future, or is there no information on this and only time will tell)?
Not a GOS user, but as far as I know, you will still be able to install shit on GOS
Ive had grapheneOS for years, is every customer android rom done for? I may just get a “dumbphone” or maybe back to iphone? I wish I could just have no phone but obviously need close family to contact me at anytime
It’s very strange that you are considering moving to a dumbphone or an even more locked-down platform because google is locking down android.
They’re taking away a vital feature, so you want even more taken away?
What would you recommend? Apple tracks a ton of data but also blocks 3rd party trackers at least
I’ve been an android user for a long ass time. I want to install grapheneOS on my next phone since my current Samsung S23 won’t allow that. After that, what would be my options?
Any of the recent Pixels, though I’m not sure about the 10. And that’s it.
I’m running Graphene on a 9 and it’s solid.
I’m not sure about the 10.
Exactly the problem; current phones are good for the short-to-medium term, for anyone willing to use aging hardware, but what are the long-term prospects?
I’m hoping this will increase true open source phone OS development, like a Linux phone, but we’ll see. If there’s a way to really get Android or iOS apps onto a Linux phone (after these changes) then true open-source apps can fill most use-cases, but everyday users can still use the latest games/apps they expect to “just work”. That might be the ideal future option, at least until if/when Linux gets enough market share to get its own mainstream support (like the Steam Deck has brought to gaming).
not sure how these are, but i’m planning on getting one at some point. These should have some other os called murena, which is close to android but not quite, according to the website.
based on android. similarly to how samsungs and xiaom8s system is also based on it.
as long as google doesnt control it, its good enough for me
HarmonyOS ? Technically OpenHarmony ?
it has come to the point that i might consider even chinese controlled stuff over google, though i would prefer european software. I’m just so sick and tired of all this bullshit.
I have my Pixel 9 pro with GrapheneOS. Google ain’t telling me shit about what I can or can’t install.
Pixels are made by Google? You’re supporting this hot mess? They can lock the bootloader any time?
I locked the bootloader back after installing GrapheneOS. You have to have physical access to the device to do that.
What I mean, with future os updates people might lose the ability the unlock it in the first place. You are safe as long you don’t update to newer pixel android versions. This is what happens to me now if I upgrade my Samsung above oneui8. I will lose the ability to unlock it, forfeiting things like lineageos in the future.
The Pixel 10 just launched, and the bootloader is still unlockable.
If they lock down the bootloader, I’ll just follow wherever the GrapheneOS crew takes their project.
If it becomes impossible for them to continue, I’ll probably just start using a dumb phone and carrying a small netbook with Linux for my internet needs.
Non-zero chance that the GrapheneOS crew will work with a manufacturer to bring a phone to market if Pixels get fully locked down.
Pixel’s predecessor itself, Nexus, was a somewhat low production volume (compared to Samsung or Apple at least) phone for enthusiasts, that Google partnered with different manufacturers to design and produce.
Are the banking apps still blocked? How’s the camera? It’s been a while since I installed grapheneos…
I recently did graphene on a new pixel. My bank app (Chase, in the US) did not work immediately but did after lifting Graphene’s default app restrictions, strictly for that one app.
Namely “exploit protection compatibility mode” being enabled did the trick.
Camera on the 9a is fine, but I’m not a photographer. I take photos of serial numbers and server rooms. /Shrug
I use a credit union, and they whitelisted the OS about a week after I told them about it.
The camera is really good.
Are the banking apps still blocked?
Depends on the app.
You can just install Googles Camera without Gservices if you want
N26, revolut, and google wallet didn’t work when I was using it a few years ago.
Wallet told me it’s not supported on “rooted devices” (official grapheneos doesn’t allow root and is actually even more secure than google’s regular OS) and Revolut was buggy and didn’t let me sign in a few weeks ago
you know thier desperate if they want thier money sink of AI scheme to be jammed into the phones.
Lol this is old news brah 😅
Still waiting my Moto G 5G 2024 to have the “Allow OEM Unlocking” option to become un-greyed… it’s currently day 2/7 I think?
(supposedly it takes 7 days after being connected to the internet, even tho I already got the unlock code… 🤷♂️)
My last phone was Moto G 5G and it got destroyed…
Did you drop it, or are you saying its motorola’s fault?
So what happened is the dumbest thing ever. Yes it did have a small Crack on the screen… but that didn’t do anything for months until it rained and then ONE drop landed on a spot that busted it. No joke. It seemed to return to life a long ass time later but the screen still died and is non functional.
I mean a “small crack” is a big deal tho. Even if it was a pixel, that “small crack” would’ve ruing the IP rating.
But unlike a $500 pixel, the Moto G 5G 2024 only $140 so you could just easily get a replacement.
Would you mind letting me know if it works out? Was thinking of getting a Moto G, I’m using an elderly Samsung and no way will I replace it with another Samsung.
YAYAYAYAY! 😁 (Today is Day 6, didn’t even need the full 7 days)
I feel like a Hacker right now.
Now I just need to flash Lineage.
Good luck, my friend. Moto G 2024 is only like $140 (on discount) right now. Do not get carrier versions, those don’t unlock. Get the full retail price version. Its XT2417-1.
I’m not sure if the same issues are present in the phone you guys are referring to but I had a terrible experience with a G35. More here https://samartean-rares.com/moto-g35-terrible-software-decent-hardware-117 . Idk use your own judgement ofc but perhaps be wary that what you buy won’t be hot garbage. That G35 that I had truly was hot garbage, but it’s an entry level phone I guess.
Thanks for the heads up. Yeah it’s hard to know what’s going to be a pile of shit. I had a good experience with a moto previously - but that was maybe ten years ago, a lot could have changed since then.
I’m looking for something mid range I guess, £500 max. I’ve always had cheaper phones and I’m tired of being frustrated with a device I use so much so I’m gonna spend a bit more on the next one.
I mean, this is terrible garbage, but if Google is going to fully ruin Android then at least the news being out might push resources towards mobile Linux faster.
I’m actually using an old iphone. I look at it like an appliance to connect with mainstream institutions (including local people like other school parents), and take pictures. I have other appliances of varying complexity up to and including my car that run systems I know nothing about as well. I’m not happy about that either, but these are the compromises that happen in the real world.
The closed system isn’t appealing to me, but the mass market appeal of the device is. A stunning majority of my direct acquaintances use it. It can streamline interactions sometimes.
And you know, I don’t trust them of course, but at least Apple has actually said out loud in high profile presentations that privacy is a fundamental human right, and they always point out when they can keep personal things on-device. And they fight orders to unlock phones. Plus they make their money on hardware sales and services for the most part.
Google, on the other hand, exists pretty much solely to vacuum up data and keep us online and cloud-connected. They typically get major points for interoperability from me, but then I ask how often is it just a cynical embrace/extend/extinguish strategy?
Any big mainstream phone now is just a locked down disposable product of a megacorp. It’s also a data scraping tendril of said megacorp loaded with sensors and a fast data connection. And now as a bonus for those of us in the US - it’s probably a convenient backdoor warrantless wiretap that the oligarchs can just accidentally forward the government the passwords to.
My COMPUTER runs Linux. I can’t wait until I can have a real linux computer in the form factor of a high quality phone.
I have an old phone how would I install Linux and still use it as a phone, for texting etc?
Unfortunately it isn’t as simple as just needing the right Linux distro with a touch-friendly “DE.”
We essentially need the “IBM compatible” equivalent phone platform like how modern PCs got started.
Look at postmarket OS. Unless you are really lucky, texting, calling, wifi, etc is not or barely working.
I swear white guys and Indian guys ruin everything.
I swear
white guys and Indian guyscapitalism ruin everything.
Has the update dropped yet? I’m checking before I update my phone, once it does I’m off for good
I disabled OS updates on my phone, we’ll have to see how long that lasts.
Yeah that’s what I plan once I know I’m at the version cap
until google remotely enables them again. Fuck google.
