they give justifications like “they attacked us, we’re just defending ourselves”, “they’re the ones who want to hurt/genocide us”
This is also the justification for Israel’s campaign in Gaza. The goal is to protect Israelis… it’s just there happens to be some Israelis in Gaza against their will right now as they’re being held hostage. And it’s not just Hamas that celebrates the massacre of Jews on October 7, you see signs at protests in the west celebrating it now.
The NAZIs also claimed their goal was to defend the Arian Race from the Jews who had infiltrated they system and wanted to destroy it.
All ethno-Fascists (who are far the worst and most violent kind of Fascist) claim that their goal is the protection of their ethnicity.
The way you spot their excuses are just ethno-Fascist bullshit rather than truthfull, is because they’re very overtly racist about their enemy (such as calling them “human animal” and claiming they’re all as an ethnicity violent based on the action of just a few), have calous disregard for the life of innocents (more thank 10k children murdered, journalists targetted, hospitals targetted, medical personnel executed and burried in common graves) and inflict incredibly disproportionate hurt to those they deem to be defending themselves from (the number of Palestinians killed just in Gaza now is already over 30x the Israelis killed on on the 7th of October and even before all that the rate of Palestinians killed vs Israelis killed in the ongowing occupation was in average above 10x, most of Gaza has been razed versus a few houses burned in Israel).
People genuinelly defending themselves don’t do those things.
It’s not by chance that the broader opinion in the West changed over time against Israel as the Gaza invasion went: people kept seeing more and more indications that what the Israelis were doing was not at all the “defending themselves” they claimed because it was a needlessly excessive and violent way, by quite an incredibly distance, to reach the goal they stated it was. So more and more people concluded this wasn’t defense, it was violent murderous offense to the level of Genocide.
Do you imagine anyone is triggered by comparing Israel to Nazis? Do you think anything you wrote is original. Nope. It’s boring. And wrong. Get some new propaganda, ok?
The IDF exists to protect Israeli people. You don’t seem to be aware of this, but there are currently Israeli people being held against their will in Gaza. Therefore the IDF is in Gaza. It’s not that complicated.
Even the most violent murderous sociopathic regime in the History of Mankind claimed their actions were for “defense” of their ethnicity.
Hell, fucking Ku-Klux-Klan claims they’re defending “the white race”.
Every single violent racist fascist sociopath out there claims their murderous ways are “defense” and it’s always for an ethnicity and it’s always against people of another specific ethnicity.
Normal people who are not Fascists or Sociopaths do not claim they stand for an ethnicity, and they certainly do not murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians of a different ethnicity whilst claiming they’re doing it as “defense”.
So when the Zionists and the murderous sociopathic dogs in IDF who kill children and laugh about it, claim their murder of tens of thousands of children and other innocent civilians from another ethnocity is “defense”, everybody who is not a Moron or a Sociopath gets reminded of all the other violent murderous sociopathic regimes who did the exact same thing and used the exact same excuse, and, yeah, that includes the bloody Nazis.
Don’t want to be compared to the Nazis, don’t act like the fucking Nazis, don’t use the exact same fucking propaganda tricks as the Nazis.
Interesting that you think Hamas has the right to fight for the rights of their ethnicity but Israel doesn’t have the right to defend their people from Hamas making ethnic attacks.
I wish we lived in a world where a Jewish state wasn’t necessary because antisemitism didn’t exist anymore. But unfortunately that’s not the world we live in. Antisemitism is still alive and growing stronger. On October 7, Hamas succeeded in removing all doubt in my mind of the necessity of a Jewish state. The antisemitic acts of protesters in the West has only re-inforced that. The UN and many countries around the world showing sympathy for Hamas after they committed genocide, makes it certain there needs to be at least one country in the world where Jews can find sanctuary when the endless cycle of antisemitism turns people towards irrational hatred of Jews.
You will likely deny the antisemitsm happening in the world right now because that fits with the narrative being pushed on you by authoritarians. Your denial means nothing, because there’s more people that know what’s happening then there are people like you that rationalize your hatred. And even if you can get people in positions of power to fall in line with your hateful thoughts about Jews, there is a place they can go to escape that oppression that you want to inflict on Jews.
It’s not because of me that there needs to be a Jewish state. It’s because of people like you there needs to be a Jewish state.
That’s one big strawman you built there and I’m sure you thoroughly trashed it with that long post of yours.
Shame that I never said any of that and all you’re fighting is your own presumption that others think and see the World like yourself and hence that those who disagree with you must be a mirror image of you “on the other side”, complete with looking at everybody as “ethnics” and judging people’s actions based on their ethnicity.
Your entire post reads like The Racist’s View Of The World complete with thinking your “adversary” must be a racist of the “other side”, with race-based double standards and hypocrisy and riddled with prejudiced generalisations and presumptions about people belonging to various ethnicities including Jews, and is a wonderful example of the very ethno-Fascist sloganeering I’ve pointed out comes from Zionists.
Not a single Humanist argument in sight, not a single “respect for all human life independently of ethnicity” consideration, it’s all about race.
The term Jewish is complicated, as it’s a vague concept around both ethnicity and religion. Israel has conducted military operations in Africa to save Jews that are ethnically black in the past. So it’s not exactly an ethno-state as the narratives you want to believe tell you.
For the most part Israel is the anti-antisemitsm country. Victims of antisemitsm are welcome there because in the past there were no countries that would provide sanctuary to Jews fleeing oppression. And it’s easy to see that occurring again with the rise of antisemitism around the world lately.
The term Zionist is an attempt to create a permission structure for antisemitism. Overt racism towards all Jews will turn people off. But if you create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to attack then more people will be sympathetic. Once you’ve turned people against a subset of Jews then they will look the other way on overt antisemitsm by their allies.
Look into the term “Cosmopolitan Jew”. This isn’t the first time this has happened.
I am making humanist arguments, but if you’re having trouble understanding it may be because you’re not seeing Jews as being human.
The Constitution of Israel literally says that every Jew in the World has the right to Israeli Nationality, so Israel absolutelly is an ethnostate, with an ethnicity which is not defined by race but by religion.
The rest of your argument is the usual racist bollocks:
By claiming that criticism of Israel is anti-semitism you’re logically stating that Israel is the same as the Jewish ethnicity.
Claiming that Israel is the same as the Jewish ethnicity means that you believe all members of that ethnicity believe so, a claim that is anchored in the most racists taking possible of the Jewish ethnicity - that they’re all the same and hence all feel and want the same, a.k.a. pure racist prejudice.
Worse, in light of there being Jews who do not feel represented by Israel and even who do not think Israel has a right to exist and are vocal about it, a belief that Israel represents all Jews logically means that you believe these specific members of the Jewish ethnicity are not “true” Jews (because if they were, then Israel would not represente all Jews, hence would not represent the Jewish ethnicity, hence cricism of Israel would not be anti-semitism), which is the most rabbidly anti-semitic things possible (the same “good” Jew and “bad” Jew shit as the Nazis).
In your defense of the Nazi-like ideology of Zionism you’re using Nazi-like prejudice about the Jewish ethnicy and, thus end up, like the Nazis, implying that those Jews who to do not fit you prejudice are not good/proper/real Jews.
Your entire building of argumentation is predicated on the most racist possible take on Jews - that a young country with a specific political ideology could possibly represent an entire ethnicity spread all over the World, with thousands of years of History, Religion and Culture, and, worse, do so even though there are Jews who openly deny that such country or ideology represents them (so you’re basically claiming you know better what it is to be a Jew than those Jews), all to the point of ethnicity, country and ideology being indistiguisheable, hence criticism of said country and ideology amount to being against that ethnicity.
It’s ironic that you hold and spread rabbid anti-semitic beliefs which betray that general racist view of the World of yours which I’ve already pointed out, whilst accusing others of being anti-semitic.
Then again it’s not surprising, since the Nazis used the exact same kind of “argument” you are using when they claimed to represent the Arian Race, and Zionists just replace “Arian” with “Jew” and “against the Arian Race” with “anti-semitic” in Nazi arguments to create their own - the whole thing is straight out of a Himmler speech with just the ethnic group replaced.
Anybody who has actually paid attention to the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust immediatelly recognizes the Zionist “we represent this race” argumentation structure as the same shit as the Nazis used in their speeches, not just in general terms but often even in of detail.
Is being a Jew an ethnicity, or is it a religion? Is Sammy Davis Jr. the same ethnicity as Jerry Seinfeld?
The reason there needs to be a Jewish state is because of antisemitism. Personally I doubted the necessity of a Jewish state. Then October 7 happened and the spike of antisemitism in the West that followed it.
I’m not the reason there needs to be a Jewish state. The hatred you feel towards Jews is the reason there needs to be a Jewish state.
But go on spouting your vitriol. The only thing you’re accomplishing is proving the necessity of the existence of Israel.
This is also the justification for Israel’s campaign in Gaza. The goal is to protect Israelis… it’s just there happens to be some Israelis in Gaza against their will right now as they’re being held hostage. And it’s not just Hamas that celebrates the massacre of Jews on October 7, you see signs at protests in the west celebrating it now.
The NAZIs also claimed their goal was to defend the Arian Race from the Jews who had infiltrated they system and wanted to destroy it.
All ethno-Fascists (who are far the worst and most violent kind of Fascist) claim that their goal is the protection of their ethnicity.
The way you spot their excuses are just ethno-Fascist bullshit rather than truthfull, is because they’re very overtly racist about their enemy (such as calling them “human animal” and claiming they’re all as an ethnicity violent based on the action of just a few), have calous disregard for the life of innocents (more thank 10k children murdered, journalists targetted, hospitals targetted, medical personnel executed and burried in common graves) and inflict incredibly disproportionate hurt to those they deem to be defending themselves from (the number of Palestinians killed just in Gaza now is already over 30x the Israelis killed on on the 7th of October and even before all that the rate of Palestinians killed vs Israelis killed in the ongowing occupation was in average above 10x, most of Gaza has been razed versus a few houses burned in Israel).
People genuinelly defending themselves don’t do those things.
It’s not by chance that the broader opinion in the West changed over time against Israel as the Gaza invasion went: people kept seeing more and more indications that what the Israelis were doing was not at all the “defending themselves” they claimed because it was a needlessly excessive and violent way, by quite an incredibly distance, to reach the goal they stated it was. So more and more people concluded this wasn’t defense, it was violent murderous offense to the level of Genocide.
Do you imagine anyone is triggered by comparing Israel to Nazis? Do you think anything you wrote is original. Nope. It’s boring. And wrong. Get some new propaganda, ok?
The IDF exists to protect Israeli people. You don’t seem to be aware of this, but there are currently Israeli people being held against their will in Gaza. Therefore the IDF is in Gaza. It’s not that complicated.
Lets make it extremelly simple to understand:
Hell, fucking Ku-Klux-Klan claims they’re defending “the white race”.
Every single violent racist fascist sociopath out there claims their murderous ways are “defense” and it’s always for an ethnicity and it’s always against people of another specific ethnicity.
Normal people who are not Fascists or Sociopaths do not claim they stand for an ethnicity, and they certainly do not murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians of a different ethnicity whilst claiming they’re doing it as “defense”.
So when the Zionists and the murderous sociopathic dogs in IDF who kill children and laugh about it, claim their murder of tens of thousands of children and other innocent civilians from another ethnocity is “defense”, everybody who is not a Moron or a Sociopath gets reminded of all the other violent murderous sociopathic regimes who did the exact same thing and used the exact same excuse, and, yeah, that includes the bloody Nazis.
Don’t want to be compared to the Nazis, don’t act like the fucking Nazis, don’t use the exact same fucking propaganda tricks as the Nazis.
Interesting that you think Hamas has the right to fight for the rights of their ethnicity but Israel doesn’t have the right to defend their people from Hamas making ethnic attacks.
I wish we lived in a world where a Jewish state wasn’t necessary because antisemitism didn’t exist anymore. But unfortunately that’s not the world we live in. Antisemitism is still alive and growing stronger. On October 7, Hamas succeeded in removing all doubt in my mind of the necessity of a Jewish state. The antisemitic acts of protesters in the West has only re-inforced that. The UN and many countries around the world showing sympathy for Hamas after they committed genocide, makes it certain there needs to be at least one country in the world where Jews can find sanctuary when the endless cycle of antisemitism turns people towards irrational hatred of Jews.
You will likely deny the antisemitsm happening in the world right now because that fits with the narrative being pushed on you by authoritarians. Your denial means nothing, because there’s more people that know what’s happening then there are people like you that rationalize your hatred. And even if you can get people in positions of power to fall in line with your hateful thoughts about Jews, there is a place they can go to escape that oppression that you want to inflict on Jews.
It’s not because of me that there needs to be a Jewish state. It’s because of people like you there needs to be a Jewish state.
That’s one big strawman you built there and I’m sure you thoroughly trashed it with that long post of yours.
Shame that I never said any of that and all you’re fighting is your own presumption that others think and see the World like yourself and hence that those who disagree with you must be a mirror image of you “on the other side”, complete with looking at everybody as “ethnics” and judging people’s actions based on their ethnicity.
Your entire post reads like The Racist’s View Of The World complete with thinking your “adversary” must be a racist of the “other side”, with race-based double standards and hypocrisy and riddled with prejudiced generalisations and presumptions about people belonging to various ethnicities including Jews, and is a wonderful example of the very ethno-Fascist sloganeering I’ve pointed out comes from Zionists.
Not a single Humanist argument in sight, not a single “respect for all human life independently of ethnicity” consideration, it’s all about race.
The term Jewish is complicated, as it’s a vague concept around both ethnicity and religion. Israel has conducted military operations in Africa to save Jews that are ethnically black in the past. So it’s not exactly an ethno-state as the narratives you want to believe tell you.
For the most part Israel is the anti-antisemitsm country. Victims of antisemitsm are welcome there because in the past there were no countries that would provide sanctuary to Jews fleeing oppression. And it’s easy to see that occurring again with the rise of antisemitism around the world lately.
The term Zionist is an attempt to create a permission structure for antisemitism. Overt racism towards all Jews will turn people off. But if you create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to attack then more people will be sympathetic. Once you’ve turned people against a subset of Jews then they will look the other way on overt antisemitsm by their allies.
Look into the term “Cosmopolitan Jew”. This isn’t the first time this has happened.
I am making humanist arguments, but if you’re having trouble understanding it may be because you’re not seeing Jews as being human.
The Constitution of Israel literally says that every Jew in the World has the right to Israeli Nationality, so Israel absolutelly is an ethnostate, with an ethnicity which is not defined by race but by religion.
The rest of your argument is the usual racist bollocks:
In your defense of the Nazi-like ideology of Zionism you’re using Nazi-like prejudice about the Jewish ethnicy and, thus end up, like the Nazis, implying that those Jews who to do not fit you prejudice are not good/proper/real Jews.
Your entire building of argumentation is predicated on the most racist possible take on Jews - that a young country with a specific political ideology could possibly represent an entire ethnicity spread all over the World, with thousands of years of History, Religion and Culture, and, worse, do so even though there are Jews who openly deny that such country or ideology represents them (so you’re basically claiming you know better what it is to be a Jew than those Jews), all to the point of ethnicity, country and ideology being indistiguisheable, hence criticism of said country and ideology amount to being against that ethnicity.
It’s ironic that you hold and spread rabbid anti-semitic beliefs which betray that general racist view of the World of yours which I’ve already pointed out, whilst accusing others of being anti-semitic.
Then again it’s not surprising, since the Nazis used the exact same kind of “argument” you are using when they claimed to represent the Arian Race, and Zionists just replace “Arian” with “Jew” and “against the Arian Race” with “anti-semitic” in Nazi arguments to create their own - the whole thing is straight out of a Himmler speech with just the ethnic group replaced.
Anybody who has actually paid attention to the evils of Nazism and the Holocaust immediatelly recognizes the Zionist “we represent this race” argumentation structure as the same shit as the Nazis used in their speeches, not just in general terms but often even in of detail.
Is being a Jew an ethnicity, or is it a religion? Is Sammy Davis Jr. the same ethnicity as Jerry Seinfeld?
The reason there needs to be a Jewish state is because of antisemitism. Personally I doubted the necessity of a Jewish state. Then October 7 happened and the spike of antisemitism in the West that followed it.
I’m not the reason there needs to be a Jewish state. The hatred you feel towards Jews is the reason there needs to be a Jewish state.
But go on spouting your vitriol. The only thing you’re accomplishing is proving the necessity of the existence of Israel.
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