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I’m confused, doesn’t worsening material conditions count as political utility in his eyes?
Edit:I normally wouldn’t have an issue, since it’s actually pretty sane, but I literally thought to myself today “it would be funny if BE said Kirk’s death was a bad thing because adventurism will make things worse.” I was joking. I’m starting to hypothosize that economists [both accelerationist and reformists] are actually simps for the status quo
First of all, Charlie deserved it.
However gotta admit, my first thoughts were along these lines. It took me to see the reactions of the right wing pundits in my country to go full party mode just to spite those fuckers.
I’m not gonna pretend that Chuck dying won’t accelerate our decline into martial law, but I’m not gonna pretend to be sad about it. He’s not Jesus and he’s not MLK.
I also get suspicious of people who make noise about fighting the power and being super radical while parroting mainstream fash talking points and pearl-clutching liberal hysteria. Enough people are telling us to be sad/angry over whiteboy podcaster #92 getting merced that we don’t need to bother saying it with them. Just let us have this win.
I don’t think we’re accelerationists but my group chat is tired of the status quo. Whatever, dude, none of us expect to retire in peace.
I feel like you can get more out of your life than just shooting one conservative politician.
No one is advocating shooting politicians. We just recognize that as the material conditions worsen, political violence will increase and that the response of fascists is going to be oppression and state violence especially against minorities and the left.
We’re not cheering it on but we’ve been aware of the possibility for years. It is whatever.
What the utility in saying this? I mean yeah, no shit, things can get worse but they actively have been getting worse for a very long time now. Right wingers being genuinely scared is a good thing. You should be scared to hold hateful beliefs
no you see, we shouldn’t be moving at all, that way we won’t notice our chains and if we don’t notice them it means they don’t exist.
I used to agree with almost everything the empanada man had to say, but he’s been slipping lately. “Look long enough into the YouTube drama factory and it looks also into you”, I guess
That you used to uphold him certainly shows growth on your part. This fellow was always oddly lazy when it came to AES, incurious in a way that happens to align with Usian propaganda.
I wouldn’t say I “upheld” him, I think I agreed with him on a lot of things but disagreed with some of his takes. He was an extremely staunch ten toes down supporter of Palestine at a time when most of leftube wasn’t even thinking about it for example, which I thought was really commendable. But lately he’s been getting worse and worse.
he’d good at attacking the US/western hegemony but he’s also really good at shitting in his own mouth
He is heedlessly contrarian and stumbled upon the correct belief about palestinians and how jewish and/or isntreali voices are centred over them, even in left discourse. Of course this doesnt mean his framework is beneficial to replicate.
stumbled upon the correct belief about palestinians
I think his positions on Palestine were arrived at perfectly logically and through study tbh. He was releasing videos on the topic years and years ago. Agree to disagree I suppose.
I not sure if we changed or if Empanada changed. I noticed a decline when the Gaza genocide started which turned into a free fall when he decided to get into drama slop.
I fully agree. I remember back when BE used to say he didn’t even want to voice his own videos because it would turn him into too much of a publicly involved figure. Today’s BE is unrecognisable by comparison where he wants every last dumb though to be a spectacle.
Living proof that Twitter is a cognitohazard
if only those dudes didn’t lite fire to the reichstag, nazi germany wouldn’t have existed 😔
This is the kind of thing is expect from an American leftist content creator, as ot would make sense to police your community into not getting targeted for stupid reasons, or simply for the sake of making your propaganda accessible to as of yet non-aligned people.
Yet it’s somewhat strange coming from BE. It’s not entirely false, but coming from someone who constantly stabs at the 1st world, it’s odd for him to show any concern. It feels more like he’s being a contrarian for the sake of it, rather then actually trying to aid any rhetorical struggle.
I won’t deny I’m concerned about how the US will crack down on leftists for this. However, I also hold the position that the ruling class already puts all to its disposal for the sake of destroying us, so why would they even need a justification on the first place? Kirk was so clearly a fascist that any “normal” citizen is more likely to empathize with leftists being suppressed over Kirk’s own death.
As much as we rag on Americans, it’s not exactly correct to think they support Charlie Kirk. Even a slight investigation into him, which can be done in passing during a conversation, reveals him to be a massive peace of shit who had thus coming.
As much as we rag on Americans, it’s not exactly correct to think they support Charlie Kirk
Maybe not Kirk himself, but let’s not underestimate just how far liberals are willing to go to protect “their own little habitat”, as George Carlin called it - “They’re worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced”. Don’t forget that while marginalised communities like LGBT people, undocumented immigrants, Muslims and people of colour are under siege from both parties and live in fear every day, straight white cisgender bourgeois liberals are afforded some relative peace and security by the very system that’s creating all that suffering. So, when people start fighting back against the system and threaten that peace and security, don’t be surprised by just how many liberals will be willing to ally with the fascists to crush them - not for Kirk’s sake, but for their own.
. Even a slight investigation into him,
liberals won’t, and the media has spent the entire time whitewashing his evil so people that only are hearing about him because he got shot are going to have no idea he was an all around piece of shit antivaxxer, transphobe, racist, etc who helped facilitate the january 6th riot
Yeah this feels like knee jerk contrarianism compared to his usual stance on fascists
As much as we rag on Americans, it’s not exactly correct to think they support Charlie Kirk.
Most americans (counting from the well-meaning clueless normie) are put off by whole kirk mourning charade. Hell most libs are angry at dems right now for their “spinelessness”.
Man BE is on a streak of bad takes lately its kinda sad.
I dont understand this position. Does anyone really think the far right just, wasnt going to do anything before? Like they were waiting for something like this to happen? As if Trump wasnt already deploying the national guard in major cities? Like come on, the ruling class does not act out of petty revenge, and by this logic there is no actual action communists can take because anything can serve to provoke the far right.
And werent people saying this same thing about Trumps failed assassination last year? And nothing happened
Too many Americans are scared of things changing and want to just put the blame on whatever. They want to cling to the idea that the path we are on could somehow be avoided if X Y or Z didnt happen. If this event somehow changes what you think the future holds then you havent been paying attention.
It’s funny because the dudes a hardcore accelerationist when he talks about the west burning but then when things accelerate and he isn’t the one making all the comments he gets stuck up his own ass about it. At this point his ideology isn’t communism, it’s his own ego. He HAS to be contrarian to let us all know how dumb we are and how smart he is.
At this point his ideology isn’t communism, it’s his own ego.
He more or less confirmed that explicitly.
Its sad but true. Hes gotta be a contrarian. He went from making high effort content of genuine academic quality in terms of research and analysis to just being against what everyone else is. I still think he has some good things to say every now and then but he took the ragebait too far and thats 90% of his politics now
It’s not that they weren’t going to do anything before. It’s that this lets them say “You see? I told you the left is out of control! They attacked us for no reason”. It solidifies the position. It gives them stronger grounds to do what they planned to regardless.
They were always going to do that anyway, in the absence of a real event they would have made some shit up
Isn’t this more credible than some qanon shit? After all, we are talking about it too
Doesn’t matter at all whether it’s credible, they will do exactly what they were always planning to do
You’ll have to run that back for me. Are you saying the political aparatus is so powerful it can do whatever it wants with equal effectiveness of method? Or the public across the board being so stupid it doesn’t make a difference whether something is real or not? Or something else?
Yes
Are you saying the political aparatus is so powerful it can do whatever it wants with equal effectiveness of method?
I assume this. In the end the yugoslav civil war didnt start because a random dude lied about putting a bottle up his bum.
If they really needed it, they wouldve staged a shooting of this caliber. Theyve done it before and theyll do it again
This is a completely unmaterialist take. This has absolutely 0 material effect on the situation. Stronger grounds to do what they wanted in the eyes of whom? Libs who werent gonna do shit either way? Conservative who were gonna eat up whatever they say regardless? Genuinely what is materially affected? This is a position based on the vibes of what sounds like should be true, not a realistic material analysis of the situation
Unmaterialist?
Yep, its based on a vibe or the idea of ‘solidifying their position’ when there is absolutely no material gain the right has from this, if anything they lost one of their main propagandists (which granted is only an issue for them in the short term, if even that). Their position is not ‘solidified’ and their grounds are not ‘stronger,’ the resources at their disposal, the propaganda they wield, and the industry they command is the same regardless if this guy is dead or alive. Hell Trump, Vance, Shapiro, everyone on the far right could die tonight and it would not significantly strengthen or weaken their long term political power, it would only cause short term confusion
Your position is solely based on vibes of what sounds like should be correct. This is something people implicitly accept as true without any critical thinking. It feels correct, its what everyone else is saying, and it aligns with how historical development is traditionally understood so it checks off the bias box as well. But make no mistake, this is an idealist view of the world. You absolutely cannot strengthen material power and material goals through ideals alone. Rhetoric does not create material power.
But lets just say that yes, youre correct. That his death really will somehow strengthen the far right overnight (as if they didnt already have the backing of the bourgeoisie with little challenge) and werent already deploying the national guard to major cities. Lets say such a thing not only is possible but even significantly beneficial to the far right as you describe. Would they not just orchestrate a similar event themselves to create the justification anyway? If they really needed it then theyd just do that. Ergo, Kirks death means nothing, because otherwise it wouldve been someone else and the outcome is identical. Because this was the trajectory regardless, and no ideals, rhetoric, sense of petty revenge can change that. No one man can change that by being dead or alive.
Your take is fairly unmaterialist and ignores class struggle in favor of individualism and vibe based idealism
If the Reichstag hadn’t burned, the Holocaust wouldn’t have happened, historians agree
the nazis wouldn’t have dared to cross these boundaries 😔
We don’t even know who was the person who shot Kirk or put fire in the Reichstag. It could even be one of the right wingers, thinking the guy wasn’t fascist enough.
And while Nazis and Magas may use anything to justify their goals, it’s not like they would cease doing any kind of violence they are already doing even if no bad event happened to them.
If only all those minorities hadn’t made the nazis so angry…
BadEmpanada and many other streamers live on drama like a vampire feeds on blood
he’s been getting more and more terminally online
Shits gonna get worse anyway, why wait till it’s worse to start
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This guy is such a joke. only Vaush has cratered quicker in my personal discovery to block journey and BadEmpenada only lost by, like, a week. Crazy.
If he hadn’t post this, I wouldn’t have known that things would get worse. Thank god for BE.
Seriously tho, it’s getting hard to tell whether he’s just trolling nowadays or if he genuinely believes what he says on social media anymore. Who hasn’t anticipated that this incident will be used to incite even more violent retaliation against the left. He says this as if he were the first with this take. Acceleration of the cruel inevitable or not, the right would have always done what they wanted but they’ll surely grasp at whatever reasons to support their cause. Hate it how his superfans get so worked up when you give him some criticisms and god is he so quick to call people idiots or assume others are American for questioning him instead of engaging in good faith discussion. I’m a huge fan of his work but he can be so exhausting sometimes.
Thought this would be a good time to share my Bad Empanada soyjak.
Is this him trying to state the obvious so people forget the “bad takes” (transphobia) he’s been spouting recently?
Or is he aware that people are pissed off at him and he says something obvious that contradicts what he normally says to cause conflict and engagement?
