• nyar@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    What the fuck is a leftist.

    Be a communist or a socialist, a syndicalist or an anarchist, a maoist or a ecosocialism, but don’t be a fucking “leftist”. Be something with a defined ideology, legitimate theory, and history of practice.

    Leftists are just Democrats who want to seem to not be Democrats.

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        5 months ago

        Get a coherent ideology. Identify with something other than vague gesturing to better policies.

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        5 months ago

        I was going to make a joke about me being a social democrat and my greatest enemy is a democratic socialist, but that guy pretty much killed any joke I could possibly make.

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      5 months ago

      W-wait, was… was that a joke, or are you serious? I was about to upvote you because lol, but then I noticed others have taken you seriously and now I don’t know what to believe

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        5 months ago

        There’s a similar comment in their profile on another post so I think that’s their actual opinion and not a joke.

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          5 months ago

          Well that’s a very silly opinion to have.

          Absolutely not at all surprising and this is why the fascists are currently winning just about everywhere in the “western world”, but it is what it is.

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            Yes, fascists are winning everywhere because of dozen of marxists around the world and not because social democrats abandoned the social part and went balls deep in neoliberal shit. You can complain about marxists but this blame is very typical of a “left” that only wants to blame others and never take accountability, and this is actually a think that took all the “western world”. From europe to the entire america, the hegemonic part of the left are not even trying to talk with workers, it is just cost cutting everywhere making the living standards worse and worse after 2008 crisis, THIS is what actually is making fascists win, and not dozens of radical leftists that are actually warning about this exactly kind of raising of fascism for more than 100 years.

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              Yes, fascists are winning everywhere because of dozen of marxists around the world

              Not what I was getting at but bravo for proving my point further I guess

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                5 months ago

                Proving what dude? Are u able to spell a single full idea in this treat or just meaningless sentences?

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                    5 months ago

                    It was rhetoric, of course you wont even reply because the only thing you have is your superior complex. But yeah, this is how you would convince the average worker to stick with the left.

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      @nyar @dactylotheca

      “Leftists are just Democrats who want to seem to not be Democrats.”

      This is mostly true. I consider myself a “leftist” I strongly prefer that term because I think all Democrats are ineffective. And I think electoral politics is insufficient but also necessary.

      People who live in any place should have control of the institutions including government should they want one. And it’s up them how that power should be used from social democracy to some kind of anarchism.

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      5 months ago

      A leftist is someone who wants anything to be done now, rather than talk and argue to death while waiting for the perfect moment for a revolution.

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      @nyar @dactylotheca a leftist is pro-democracy, anti-monarchy, anti-theocracy

      leftism emerged as a coherent position during the french revolution as a common ground for the revolutionary coalition

      also friends don’t let friends be maoists, the environment can’t take another round of that sort of thing

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        That’s again vague enough to apply to some Republicans.

        Or was coherent for the French Revolution, but we aren’t currently undergoing the French Revolution. Also, not aware of a “leftist” party or organizing body from then. Were they the Jacobins, or the Feuillants?

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          @nyar you’re overthinking it, ‘left’ was merely one of the sides of an auditorium where representatives seated themselves in a self-organizing way, choosing seats near others who shared their beliefs

          also what do you mean this isn’t the french revolution, there’s literally a monarchist plot to reinstall a king with the help of church leaders and sheriffs, people are protesting in the boulevards, bread is unaffordable, guillotine memes are in

          also also please apologize for pushing maoism

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            It’s not the French Revolution because the French Revolution can only happen the once. History doesn’t repeat, but it can rhyme.

            Thanks for explaining to me something I already clearly knew given I gave you specifics about the French Revolution, very appreciated.

            Not gonna apologize cause I didn’t “push” maoism. I’m just asking for people with “left” politics to identify an ideological framework that resonates with them and then apply it to their lives instead of complaining about the right and begging capitalists for crumbs. If that’s anarchism, great. If that’s ecosocialism, great. If that’s maoism, great. Anything is better than identifying as a “leftist”.

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              @nyar relax, it’s okay that i didn’t take your bait, it was kind of obvious and you shouldn’t feel bad about it not working

              anyway have fun killing the sparrows or whatever ecosocialists do

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      @nyar @dactylotheca

      So, because I think that everyone should have a say there isn’t much point in me deciding on some elaborate plan in advance of … getting to know my neighbors and what they want, what they need, what they care about and putting the concerns of those with the lest conventional power FIRST.

      Otherwise I’m just talking to myself and people on the internet.

      I’m very tired of people who try to insult me by calling me a normie or a democrat. Like I don’t care.

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        5 months ago

        Not trying to insult anyone.

        Asking people to have coherent ideology beyond a few policy points. Something that has a worldview that is looking beyond the next election cycle.