Due to recent incidents regarding LinkOpensChest.wav he has voluntarily chosen to step down as moderator of LibertyHub. I will be taking full authority and control over the situation. All concerns should be brought to me.
- New head moderator of LibertyHub, kittenzrulz123
I haven’t chimed in any of the times that LibertyHub and LinkOpensChest.wav have been brought up here in a controversial light.
That said, I have REALLY enjoyed the LibertyHub community for not making me constantly feel disenfranchised or defensive about my political views. The heavy handed moderation style has made it a really great community for me to discuss things I care about without needing to constantly refute whataboutisms and general lib shit.
That type of community isn’t for everyone, and that’s by design. We don’t need everyone to feel welcome in every community. LibertyHub is explicitly for like-minded leftists that don’t want to put up with authoritarian or capitalist sympathizers. It needs to be heavily moderated to be that kind of community.
I’m not even the type of person to block communities or users that I disagree with. I just want to have one good bastion of Lemmy where I don’t feel the need to explain or argue about why inexcusable things are inexcusable.
LibertyHub under LinkOpensChest.wav’s moderation has been great for that.
I hope the general moderation style doesn’t change because of this.
This is a mistake and you’re catering to the demands of people who make a mockery of queer identity.
Lmao, they’re like the first person I blocked. Good riddance
I’m still confused what the controversial reason was. Especially considering the grail users goes on so many instances specifically get drama/people removed
… wait, this started over someone demanding incorrect capitalization? That’s not what pronouns are. That’s not what gender is!
I have misgivings about LinkOpensChest.wav, but only because they run a no-disagreement-permitted propaganda megaphone community with negative self-awareness. This? This is a non-issue. This is the opposite of an issue. Grail is just wrong about how anything works.
There is the concept of gender, as a spectrum, and you can be anywhere on it, and you can be off it entirely. Getting mad that people don’t address you as “her” is a serious fucking issue. Getting mad that people don’t address you as “Her Royal Majesty” is a joke. I could even see people getting miffed about a catch-all “they” instead of using their username, even though that’s like taking offense to being addressed as “you.” But I don’t get to demand people exclusively refer to me as “the person who is always right about everything.”
At its core:
Nobody gets their own pronouns.
Those are called… nouns.
Pronouns are generic indirect stand-ins. English happens to have several gendered sets. Some languages don’t. Because gender is a big deal (at present) people can specify which set feels appropriate for them. But it’s a selection. You pick from the ones that exist. There was some chance of a tumblr-ish xe/xer emerging, if only to maintain conjugated tense better than they/them… but that was never going to coexist with ze/zer and whatever else. Those are not distinct enough to bother making them additional unique exceptions to the English language. A minority of millions had a specific need. That’s not an invitation for every last rando to demand respect for whatever they make up.
Could someone demand we speak of them exclusively in French?
Could someone demand we speak of them in first-person, like that SCP about a haunted toaster?
Could someone demand we… never speak of them? That any effort to address them as an individual is a slur?
These demands are not much sillier than clutching pearls over grammatical English. When we refer to that user, we cannot be expected to capitalize That User, as if that’s the same fucking problem as misgendering. This whole debacle is an insult to the severity of misgendering. So far as I can see, LinkOpensChest.wav correctly gendered Grail, they just didn’t bother playing by any additional made-up rules.
This is especially dumb when those rules are explicitly rooted in a claim to divinity. I’d break that shit on principle. There cannot be bigotry in treating someone as human.
Anyone who wants to disagree with me must use Old English thee/thou/thine for the second-person. My username has capitalized vowels during local business hours. Anyone who agrees with me can do whatever they want.
This drama got started over not capitalizing a pronoun. From a perspective of wanting to get people’s pronouns correct, the underling reason why a group of people would want pronouns referring to members of that group capitalized doesn’t matter. The fact a person asked for the pronouns in question to be capitalized should be reason enough to do so.
There are people who use emojis as pronouns. Like (🙂🎃/💃🕶️) or 🎱. The combinations are unique to every individual and can change. These people’s experience with gender is highly individual and cannot be put into words. They are all welcome and accepted by the LGBTQ+ community.
They’re getting they/them’d if they don’t prefer one of the other two options.
Some people are men or women or both or neither. Nobody is a goddamn pumpkin. Even actual pumpkins don’t get special articles for indirection. Mere objects are it/its. No “experience of gender” can make you a supernatural entity, or… produce.
Labels unique to an individual are called names. Pronouns are what go in place of that. We have several. Take your pick.
Grammar isn’t a tool to constrain thought. Grammar is a tool to assist in writing.
Gender is a social construct. Gender is made up. People experience gender in different ways. Some people experience gender in ways that cannot be put into words.
If you can’t tolerate people here using pronouns that challenge your world view, this instance is not for you. We are not interested in conforming to your personal view of gender. We do not tolerate intolerance.
wholly convinced some concepts of queer identity exist purely to make life harder for disabled people
first two posts on blahaj meta when i wake up are about a community and a user i blocked because of yesterday’s bullshit also on meta, goddamn i fucking hate it here
I request the admins remove LinkOpensChest.wav and instate me as head moderator (he created the community so he can’t leave the moderating team without the admins)
You’re now the head mod
I’ll ask
It’s bizarre that we are letting trolls from other instances whose only contribution is to spout transphobia under the guide of a [satire] disclaimer and bully other users determine what is and isn’t acceptable conduct.
I’m recommenting this from another post, about this same topic, in this community that got removed. I’m seeing the same kind of discourse here.
Xenogender is a known part of the LGBTQ+ community.
https://new.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Xenogender
https://nonbinary.wiki/wiki/Xenogender
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/03/need-know-xenogender/
https://weareher.com/xenogender/
Godgender, in this case specifically Goddessgender, is a xenogender.
https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Godgender
https://gender.fandom.com/wiki/Godgender
Please don’t engage in pulling up the ladder. These people have a different experience with gender that doesn’t conform to society’s arbitrary constructs of gender. Goddesses and gods are something people made up. Women and men, as gender roles, are things people made up. People are real. When we disregard the experiences of people to legitimize ourselves we are harming real people.
The perceived legitimacy gained by excluding people whose experiences don’t match our own is ephemeral. It’s division for the sake of placating the people whose perceptions and beliefs should be challenged. The christo-fascists who want trans people dead will not be swayed by any amount of legitimacy. No one is good enough for a fascist, let alone someone who isn’t cis and straight.
I fully accept all people
My comment was not in reference to this post. I saw similar discourse in this post’s comment section and I wanted to address it. One of the comments has already been removed. I think the resources would be helpful for people who have questions.
Nah.
Claims to be an ubermensch do not deserve one iota of respect, let alone grammatical exceptions.
Grail openly claims narcissistic personality disorder. And then acts like the word “narcissist” is a slur. This is not a gender issue, this is a them issue. They want to be special and immune and always correcting the little people about how they’re permitted to disagree.
Thankfully no one in these posts is claiming to be an ubermensch. Grammar is a tool to assist in writing, not a set of laws that need to be obeyed or officially amended. Dictionaries are best when they are descriptive and not prescriptive. Grammar guidelines are the same way. No one should have to wait for some English professor to say it’s okay to exist, via grammatical correctness, to feel accepted.
Grail openly claims narcissistic personality disorder. And then acts like the word “narcissist” is a slur. This is not a gender issue, this is a them issue. They want to be special and immune and always correcting the little people about how they’re permitted to disagree.
Notice how you were able to narrow your focus in your argument to the actual people in question and not entire groups. Please continue to discuss this topic in this narrower way.
Either this user represents a serious issue or they don’t.
I am explaining why they don’t.
Pretending that’s a narrow criticism - in a condescending tone - is a failure to argue.
I’m no fan of Link, but this is fucking stupid. I’m not referring to anyone as a god, and to insist I do is absurd and disrespectful
Honestly.
this is weird.
Links even apologized, and this individual is overreacting to minor instances.
It is not too dissimilar to a troll
