“I hate these damn bike lanes. Screw your studies. I’m not reading that”
"Cut gas taxes. I see no reason why I should pay to support public transit"
“Fuck speed limits. I’m proud to break the law”
This sense of entitlement is insane.
As someone who had their life ruined by a speeding driver who ignored a red light, fuck anyone who speeds.
Fuck people that run reds. As a speeder, even I can agree with you on that. I’m so sorry for what happened to you, no one deserves to be put through that.
The thing with speeding is that you will end up running more reds and yellows just due to the stopping distance. Not every light has the same yellow period. The grading, speed and design of the road factor in. If you are doing 60 in a 40 zone, there is a very good chance you wont be able to stop in time for the yellow.
This is just 1 of the increased risks speeding brings to our roadways.
I have NEVER gone through a red, and yet I routinely substantially speed. There’s no excuse for running reds. If your reaction time is too shitty to stop quick enough, drive slower. But some of us have very fast reaction times indeed.
Have you ever decided you were going too fast to stop for a yellow while speeding?
Running a red ≠ going through a yellow. The latter is legal – that’s the whole point of a yellow, to give warning for folks who are a bit too late to stop.
Being a bit too late to stop is different from speeding and being unable to stop. The yellow is there to account for heavier vehicles, hazardous road conditons, and a little bit of driver distraction. Its all still timed around the limit of the road. If people are routinely speeding, they are pushing the safety margin of that yellow to its limit.
Oh so this is the guy who drives an inch from my bumper whenever I don’t speed.
The laws of physics define what are safe driving speeds, not the statist laws of man.
My theory is that driving a vehicle feels the same as waiting in a line/queue, since you’re not doing anything active. So people try and minimize their time “waiting” as much as possible. Even if they’re already traveling at an extreme speed. Basically cars fuck with our brains.
That’s what podcasts are for.
Honestly makes a lot of sense
This is actually a real phenomenon and it’s called velocitization.
Speed limits are arbitrary.
Isn’t there a relationship between the road surface material, angle, width, and surrounds that dictates a safe speed range?
50 vs 49 or 51 may be arbitrary, but overall there’s a relationship between speed and car accidents which makes setting speed limits a real judgement call.
And remember that kinetic energy goes up with the square of the velocity, so a crash at double the speed is theoretically four times as deadly. Even modest reductions in speed greatly increase survivability of an accident.
Automated speeding cams only end up extracting money from working people and worsening wealth inequality.
You can not force people to do daily commutes and expect them to remain stable.
61 in a 50 is 22% over.
61 is almost 49% more kinetic energy than 50.
My impression is that there has been an unspoken compromise between safety advocates and ordinary drivers, with the safety advocates getting to set low speed limits and the drivers getting to ignore those speed limits. Speed cameras are putting an end to that compromise. I wonder if that will generate the political will necessary to increase speed limits - there are, after all, a lot more speeders than safety advocates.
Speed cameras are often implemented in areas where heavy pedestrian traffic exists or a history of car crashes has happened. The goal of the cameras is to reduce speed to prevent crashes and reduces injury and death. The solution is not to raise speed limits just because drivers feel entitled to not follow the limit.
Imagine if we did this for other laws. Well people are still murdering each other even though its illegal so we might as well make murder legal. This may seem like an extreme example but speed is one of the biggest factors in how deadly a crash is, so just increasing the speed limit is basically saying we are okay with more people dying so long as they think traffic is moving faster.
Making something legal because a lot of people are doing it anyway does happen. Consider, for example, the decriminalization of marijuana. I wonder if, in fact, it’s actually the most common mechanism by which something that was once illegal becomes legal. I don’t hear a lot about criminal laws that were strictly enforced being repealed.
The legalization of marijuana came after there was evidence for decades it was mostly harmless. We have had evidence for decades that speed makes things more dangerous on city streets. There are better ways to get you there faster than jeapordizing public safety.
I think you’re right. I wonder where cops fit in that relationship. In Ontario, cops rarely seem to ticket speeding. Is that because of political pressure? Because the police brass don’t value speed limits?
Ten over is standard her cops don’t even notice anything less than 20 over if you aren’t in a school zone
They should become speed limits, rather than remaining speed targets.
It’s not entitlement if the laws make no sense.
I’m an Ontarian driver. I hate speed traps, and I will purposely go out of my way to avoid them, or otherwise figure out exactly where the device is so that I can slow down for it.
I’m sorry, but for all the folks that want us to drive 40 everywhere in “community safety zones”… you’re living in dreamland. We all have places to be.
Have barriers and well-designed crossings. Fast cars can’t hurt pedestrians if they aren’t on the road to begin with.
“I have places to be so fuck the safety of children and families”
Maybe we should endeavor to, idk, not have children and families out on the street in non-designated crossings? Just a wild thought. XD
Children and pedestrians are getting hit in crossings. The reduced speed limit is both to give more time for drivers to notice crossing pedestrains and also to reduce the severity of injury in the case of a collison.
Maybe we should endeavor to idk not have massive metal boxes exceeding speed limits next to where children are walking to school.
Crossings can be easily improved to reduce this by adding buttons and flashing lights, and having a delay on the walk sign so cars have plenty of time to stop before anyone goes onto the road. These are not hard problems to solve.
“Massive metal boxes” – ah, so you’re one of those car-hater types. Gotcha.
i’ve had far more close calls in the crosswalk than i’ve had jaywalking. the average driver is much much worse at driving than you all like to think you are.
slow down you fucking maniac.
we all have places to be
I’d rather be alive instead of being hit by some shit driver like you trying to win a few seconds
People grossly overestimate the time they think they win by going a bit faster.
You probably would’ve saved more time not posting here
Simple. It’s not a few seconds. I can save 20 minutes by doing 15 over, during the day, going the speed limit get caught at every red light. During late night, with no traffic going 15-20 over, I get all the greens. Literally saving me 20min. It’s no estimate. There’s a fucking clock on the dash.
The time saved is due to the green lights and less congestion. The time saved due to the speeding is miniscule in comparison.
Does that mean you want to time lights to be green if you go the proper speed, then? As in, none of this “traffic calming” bullshit.
No i was pointing out that speeding isn’t the main factor speeding them up. Providing alternatives to driving is a better solution to congestion and traffic. Each lane of a road has a shockingly low capacity when compared to other ways of getting around.
20 minutes vs a human life. Fucking pathetic to even consider…
There is, sadly, a tradeoff between safety and efficiency. If we truly valued safety above everything, we’d ban cars altogether and return to the 1800s. But we have accepted as a society that a small number of accidents is worth the benefit of rapid transportation.
There are other places that still use cars and have way safer roads than us. We are accepting half assed safety because thats been the status quo in north america for decades.
Fair enough. We could learn quite a bit from Germany, for example.
I love bike lanes and public transit. But yeah. Fuck the snitch cams.
If you want to hand out pointless tickets you should have a cop set a speed trap. As per long standing tradition.
It doesn’t help that the way these cams are rolled out involves just lowering speeds on roads that have had consistent speeds listed for decades , then dinging people who speed. On the internet you can find extremists of every type. Doing 11 over the speed limit is not in any way equivalent to doing 50 over, nor does lowering the speed limit on existing roads always lead to safety increases or accident reductions. It can sometimes , but the internet would have you believe that it always absolutely works, the 10s of millions cities gain in revenue from this doesn’t affect their deployment decisions of cameras at all, and someone doing 11 over the speed limit (often 9 under the former limit on that road) are terrible human beings.
I find that speeders often assume that it is only their driving skill that should define their speed. They don’t acknowledge that they will be driving in traffic or what the roads sight lines might be. They are also often delusional about how good a driver they are. There are many times when following a speeder that has woven through traffic that you can visually see all the cars that swerved or hit the brakes so that the “excellent driver” could get through unscathed.
I have to carpool with my boss on occassion who thinks he is one of the best drivers on the road while everyone else is shit and I am terrified everytime he drives anywhere. It’s insane how unpredictable he is on the road. He even got pulled over going 115 in a construction zone (60 limit) and the cop SHOULD have had his vehicle impounded but decided to give him a warning and not even the double fine for construction zone, just a regular speeding ticket. If only that cop knew how many tickets he gets every year. Warnings and being nice does not teach him anything.
I am not from Ontario but I am guessing it’s not too different here, I am from Quebec and people here have this feeling of rushing things the moment they touch the wheel like they are always in a hurry, and I think it’s probably because of the culture of always needing to do things and want things fast so everyone loses patience and don’t wanna lose any time. I seen people even when not driving putting themselves at risk just to save a few seconds. And if you drive at the speed limit people hate you because they think you’re going too slow.
The number of people who use terms like idiot, loser, beta etc for people who obey the limit is astounding. Ive heard more speeders say that limit followers should have their lisences removed than vice versa.
