Please convince me that I should continue my support or advice what I can do. I’m prepared to do my part, but I can only do so if I can be sure that my support is not going to people who think arbitrary Censorship is alright (needs to be based on objective community rules and not on the political agenda of mods).
Just to be real:
Every instance is an example of arbitrary censorship. It’s just that .ml is specifically about a kind of censorship you don’t like.
All that said, there is no “should”. Donations are voluntary, they are not the only way to contribute to the development of the fediverse, and there is already both alternatives and competition, and you could support those instead. I hear Pixelfed is making the rounds.
I understand that, but the Lemmy developers are deeply rooted in .ml. I just wonder whether it makes sense to support that. I am aware that this is FOSS, but there is no transparency as to whether my support actually ends up in the software development or perhaps in .ml, which I do not want to support.
Then the next best thing to do is to support instances directly. I’d guess most of them have a tip jar or donation box.
Be aware that if supporting unsavory people is your issue, you might want to skip some payment processors and pay the instance hoster directly. Some payment processors, like PayPal or Stripe, are into some unsavory stuff such as targetting sex workers, or appropriating your savings if you post speech they disagree with, or blocking access to service in countries of the third world.
Thank you. People seem perfectly happy with lemmy.world blacklisting lemmy.ml altogether and such because it’s censorship that they agree with, people generally only get cranky in the pants about censorship when they agree with the thing being censored.
I hear Pixelfed is making the rounds.
I think you meant Piefed. Pixelfed exists too, but that is more Instagram-style. Piefed feels pretty similar to Lemmy, just written in Python.
I personally like how Mbin integrates with Mastodon. Or at least the idea. I can’t figure out how to search up a specific Mastodon user.
I can’t figure out how to search up a specific Mastodon user
But I mean a user that isn’t yet loaded (if it works like Lemmy communities or specific comments). For example
@zssk_mimoriadne@mastodon.socialisn’t visible from fedia.io nor kbin.earth.Unless mastodon.social is defederated from both. I can’t try Melroy without logging in.
For example, new communities can be loaded with !community@instance in the search menu, and comments by searching original instance URL (on Lemmy).
Couldn’t say as far as fedia or kbin.earth’s federation policies, but that user pulls up successfully here.
Piefex! Pixelfie! Fedfed! I always get them mixed up!!! I’m Fedfed up with it! XD
Thanks for the notice.
Also interesting note on mbin, I tend to forget it can do that and it has also a lot of other niceties, but I have experimented very little with mbin.
My account sits 3 weeks unused
I mean, there’s always other places in the fediverse to put ur money
ik this isn’t what ur asking, but i wanted to put it out there for you to consider
Is this a shitlib site?
.world certainly is but .ml is not.
Why should I convince you for free?
You are supporting the development and technology. That is the great thing about the Fediverse, you go where you want to be, but can reach out to other isolated communities and take the parts that you want and need.
The developers of Lemmy created this specific platform and are improving it. Since Mastodon started, everyone wanted a Reddit replacement, we now have it.
From the Fediverse I have now made life long friends and we have private Matrix chats. Without servers with sepcific communities, I would never have met them.
I mean, you could support piefed development or one of the *bins, instead.
That sounds like a you problem
Is it my fault if a comment I posted is removed by .ml-Mods simply because it states that there can be no justification for terrorism?
Honestly, I can’t support that. Do you see it differently?
I want to preface this by saying I am not a fan of how .ml is run either. Tankies run rampant. Their ethical framework to me is wild.
But:
You don’t have to go there. They are their own instance with their own rules, just like tons of other instances with their own rules. You can’t show up and wipe your muddy shoes on their couch just because you don’t like their rules. You know what their rules are, you know you don’t agree philosophically, so don’t fucking go there. You don’t have to. You chose to go there looking for a fight, then you were shown the door, because that kind of behavior is not welcome.
You are not entitled to their consideration, you are not entitled to their time, and you are not entitled to posting on their instance. You seem to be under the (incorrect) impression that they are accountable to you. They are not.
They made their feelings clear to you with a ban, and you are now here throwing a hissy fit.
And before you start going off about how you think I’m a tankie or whatever, I gave this exact same lecture to someone a week ago because they were mad that an instance was hostile to the concept of ownership. An instance that was specifically centered around piracy. They felt entitled to express their option there without consequences but they were not so they acted like a petulant child.
Don’t be that user.
I didn’t realize that I was banned from .ml. Am I? Anyway, that’s not the point. My point is to support technology that allows free expression, especially since that’s not the case with mainstream platforms. And by free expression of opinion, I mean what is commonly understood by that term – not baseless insults, accusations, conspiracy theories, or anything else that lacks any factual basis. I mean the free expression of legitimate, debatable opinions. That should be the most natural thing in the world.
Ok so admittedly your post had all the trademark signs of an “i got recently banned” post, but you didn’t technically get banned I guess? So if that’s the case, I need you to explain to me what led you to making this post lol. You just woke up one day and did it for no reason? Did something specific occur? I feel like we are missing part of the story.
Anyway now that I fully acknowledge that part of things, I hope that does not keep you from seeing a larger point I am making. Surely you can see the relevance extends beyond whether or not you banned lol
Dude this just gets so reductionist at some point and we have had this debate over and over again around here. No you cannot donate to lemmy without lining the pockets of tankies. If that is a red line for you, then leave and find another project that better fits your values. No harm no foul, totally get it.
It’s like both siding slavery during Nat turner revolt
That’s just stupid. I would definitely resort to terror tactics if fighting a stronger enemy, like THE COALESCED FORCES OF WESTERN IMPERIALISM. It’s not like you can talk amoral monsters into being good, or like you have the time and resources to develop nuclear bombs and aircraft carriers.
I just don’t want my opinion to be censored for political reasons. That’s what I had hoped for from Lemmy – not some propaganda bullshit. Do you really see this platform as a counterpart to Truth Social? If so, then I’m in the wrong place, because I’m interested in exchanging opinions and arguments, not in having my opinion confirmed.
I just don’t want my opinion to be censored for political reasons. That’s what I had hoped for from Lemmy – not some propaganda bullshit. Do you really see this platform as a counterpart to Truth Social?
Literally look at Truth Social. Or better, don’t. For a social platform to be healthy, it needs to be censored for poitical reasons. It’s just the political reasons have to be about, and for, good.
I got my comments deleted on Lemmy because I mention people’s possible hair colours, and was banned from Hexbear for similar reasons. I understand your frustration, I’m sorry it happens and honestly, I wonder if there are any better discussion spaces online (Reddit is even worse than what it originally was, which is saying a lot). I’m freeloading here, haven’t given Lemmy a cent, maybe you’ll feel better commenting here if you don’t give them any money? You might be silenced (until you create a new account), but at least you won’t get scammed.
Again, why is that my problem? You can post about that literally anywhere else. What you do with your money is not the concern of me, nor anyone else looking at this post.
I would answer but I feel like this post is more about you trying to convince others to retire their economical support that any other thing. Or at least it feels like that.
Decision is yours, same as our decisions are ours.
Decision is yours, same as our decisions are ours.
Honestly, I think that is not really helpful.
There is no way to convince a person who is raised in a capitalist system why “arbitrary censorship” is way better than “democracy” where all significant media is capitalist owned. The only difference is that one is honest, the other isnt. If you come to my house, I will absolutely arbitrarily censor you if I dont like what you’re saying. Thats called personal freedom.
The “freeze peach” approach is a purely capitalist idea where you supposedly can say anything, even shitting on someone elses table but you have no actual way to change the broken system you’re in. Thats how they like you, divided, shitting on those you deem lesser and incapable of organizing.
So no, the people who make lemmy are the people who let you say exactly what you are saying now. From my pov, they deserve huge donations. Does that have to do anything with their instance? Not in my opinion.
But because I like to discuss these things: an instance is your private matter. you can do whatever you like and hear whatever you like. If that means you only say nazi stuff for example, that is your choice. And defunding those who give you actual freedom (before lemmy there was reddit and nothing) while not defunding the police or the state that does the exact opposite (looking at you, USA) is just wild imo.
I was brought up in a clasical liberal society. That it was also capitalist is incidental.
Tomato, tomato. These are just capitalist words for a competitive system with just enough leeway to keep you playing. Since it has been failing recently and people are organizing too much, they need their fascist hammer from the capitalist toolbox. Its very obvious once someone abandons the decoration.
There is no way to convince a person who is raised in a capitalist system why “arbitrary censorship” is way better than “democracy” where all significant media is capitalist owned.
I was brought up under arbitrary censorship. Democracy where all significant media is capitalist-owned is much better.
It isn’t, look out a window
Removed by mod
You do whatever you like
It’s open source (AFAIK or least I certainly hope so). So once published, the bad guys’ work was effectively done for free. Take the win.
Donate to an individual instance then. Or fork hour own, call it Demmings, and see where that takes you.
I already do that. So stop supporting Lemmy developers and only support the instance?
This is what I do. I don’t give tankies money but I’m happy to support all the instances I have accounts on.
Yes.
If they had developed a centralised bit of software such as Twitter or Reddit you’d have a point. In that case you can’t support one without the other.
On a decentralised bit of software you can support the developers and spend your time on an instance they have no control over. So supporting the developers for development is not the same as supporting any particular instance - thats why a lot of instances accept donations too.
Except there is no separation in where the money goes
Not the point. The issue OP has is with the instance .ml - if they are donating to the developers then they’re contributing towards development costs which affect both .ml and every other instance. If that’s too much of a hurdle for them, maybe they could switch to donating to their instance admin.
There should be a way to donate to development of Lemmy and it not go to ml but there is not that option because just goes to desalines.
Donating to your instance admin is great but that is not furthering the development of Lemmy, it is ensuring your instance endures.
I have donated to all (my app, my instance as well as others, and lemmy dev) but i am not happy with the fact that last one means i have donated to ml and the issue is there is currently no way around that. That IS the issue, and is why piefed is growing
“that option because just goes to desalines”
Who is the developer of the software. How they choose to develop Lemmy is up to them - you do have a choice though. Support them or don’t. What no one who donates has a choice over is how the developers choose to use the development funds they receive.
No more money from me then. Simple as
I paid a couple hundred in the past and done going forward
Admins/Mods like db0 do advance lemmy. Maybe not in the fundamental lemmy core but in form of tools.
At the end of the day you need to decide what kind of person you are. Are you pragmatic or idealistic? Are you able to separate art from artist and creation from creator? Should you support a good open source service created for the betterment of everyone if you dont like the politics of its developers?
I’m a pragmatist by nature. I believe that a useful tool remains a useful tool even when its crafted by tankie assholes. If I found out the maker of a computer command like sudo was a leninist or whatever I wouldnt go out of my way to install an alternative just because I dont agree with the batshit politics of the creator. Just like I wouldn’t stop enjoying a song after finding out the ones who made it were greedy egotistical dickheads in personal life.
Young and politically charged idealist love that online social justice warrior signalling and political identity posturing. Everythings gotta be us vs them culture war, with us needing to always be on the morally/politically high ground else your a filthy inhuman nazi them who must be refunded/canceled. You get older and realize most people no matter the lean have some level of dogshit half baked politics or some other degree of mental emotional whackiness from past trauma or poor life circumstances causing them to be imperfect animals with dumb fucking biases. That’s humanity and the heart of darkness for ya. You can choose to associate the imperfections of the creator with the creation, or you can try to decouple them and see them as separate entities linked by causality.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I will consider the matter further.
It is exactly as you say: Lemmy is, of course, excellent and absolutely worthy of support. I am just not entirely sure whether my contribution will actually end up in development. However, I will have to live with this uncertainty. I just find it problematic that .ml stands for pretty much the opposite of why I want to support Lemmy — namely, free discourse free from political influence by the platform itself. That’s simply not the case with .ml, because their moderators only allow their own narrow-minded views — and I fear that this approach is supported by the developers.
Nevertheless, the software itself remains worthy of support, you’re absolutely right about that.
I still throw a cpl bucks in the pot now and again. .ml is ridiculous, but I’m loving .world and all the other instances not full of stailin ball lickers. And all of it is better than the capitalistic, mass manipulation, ai driven cesspool reddit has become.
