TBF, big loose clothing is actually the best for that weather. That’s why they wear it (men and women both). The only difference is the face covering and the color.
Yes, white reflects light so it stays cooler, but might possibly show some suggestion of human outline. Black absorbs light so it gets hotter. Add the exhaled humidity from covering her face.
That’s actually been debunked. The difference between black and white clothing is so negligible it’s entirely unnoticeable. The structure of the clothing is far more important.
Maybe the study was more robust that this article suggests, but this doesn’t tell me anything. Humans are amazing at regulating our remperature via sweat, so I have zero doubt that normal healthy people will have the same internal and even skin temps wearing different color clothing in different conditions. If the group wearing e.g. dark codlors just sweat X% more to compensate, we can’t draw any conclusions at all. Clothing is complicated, since airflow and moisture retention matter significantly, but we know for a fact that lighter colors reflect more energy than darker colors.
This is correct and something I learned about recently. The style of a lot of middle eastern type clothing is all very loose and baggy for both men and women, because of that, the color of the clothing doesn’t affect it’s heat intake. It’s thought that a lot of clothing styles came to be because of what was available to use to weave them. If I’m remembering correct, the desert areas had a lot of wool to work with. Wool is an insulator… So in order to wear it in that climate they wove it very loose with a lot of layers and baggyness. I’m not an expert on the matter though, so I might be mistaken
Those are images of Tuaregs, the nomadic people living in the Sahara. You see only few wearing white garnments. The majority wears shades of blue or even black. I trust the people who actually live in the desert to know about how to deal with the sun and heat:
Muslim here, face covering is not religiously mandated at all, to the point that it actually MUST be removed when going on hajj. Anything else is religious extremism.
Even wearing hijab HAS to be a woman’s choice and cannot be forced upon them by anyone else. People who force women to do otherwise are control freaks who don’t think women are human and I hate them as much as I hate Zionists.
The only thing that women are religiously mandated to cover at all times in public is their torso up to their elbows, and their legs up to their knees. For men it’s their legs from belly button to knees. To make it clear, This is coming from a person who would not enforce my beliefs on anyone else, and supports trans rights because all humans deserve to do what they’d like as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else
I’m a woman who overheats really easily and I work at a bakery (my need for free good coffee overwhelmed my need for temperature stability when choosing a job), so I wear loose dark-colored linen shorts year round. They come to a couple of inches above my knees and I don’t think they could be considered sexy by anyone without a very specific fetish- I feel very much like a mailman wearing them (that’s intentional, I’m generally a pretty modest dresser).
One of our regular customers is an imam, and a lot of my coworkers are nominally Muslim, to the point that they feel weird/guilty when he comes in, but I was raised Catholic, so I don’t mind. He’s a good guy, and we chat sometimes, including about religious guidelines (I’m the kind of asshole who likes to have opinions about things in the Quran without being able to read Arabic, and he takes that about as well as a reform rabbi, plus I am delicate about how I phrase things).
Summer before last, I was in the middle of losing ten kilos because of the heat. I couldn’t keep meals down and basically only wanted to eat cucumbers and watermelon, but I still had to work. I asked him about what would happen to Muslims with my heat tolerance, and he laughed a little and said that it was like asking what happens to diabetics during Ramadan. Obviously there can be medical exceptions to all of the rules and anyone could see from several meters away that I was not handling the heat well.
I’ll grant you, this guy is a liberal imam living in Germany, but it is reasonable that a major world religion not adopt strict environmental regulations that endanger their believers.
That imam has got it right. Anyone who has a medical issue where they have to take something orally is exempt from fasting.
People overcomplicate things, when in reality it’s all about doing what you can. Even for something that’s as forbidden as eating pork; if you’re starving in the middle of a savanna and the only thing you can find to eat is a wild boar you managed to kill, go for it. Doing the basic survival thing always comes first.
Yeah, it’s the same reason my very devout Catholic grandmother didn’t feel guilty about taking medication before mass and still having communion. Reasonable people interpret religious texts reasonably.
I think… it took me a second… you’re speaking as a religious scholar, not at all about how countries implement the rules, right? You’re talking about your interpretation of the Quran, not what the Iranian government dictates, yeah?
Oh I’m speaking about interpretation on an individual level, which is honestly how it should be. Modern governments can’t even follow their own rule book, so having them attempt to follow something else that they choose to interpret however they like is an issue itself
Isn’t it lovely how she gets to sweat to death under her death robes?
TBF, big loose clothing is actually the best for that weather. That’s why they wear it (men and women both). The only difference is the face covering and the color.
Yes, white reflects light so it stays cooler, but might possibly show some suggestion of human outline. Black absorbs light so it gets hotter. Add the exhaled humidity from covering her face.
At least there’s probably a sea breeze.
Yes, visible light.
White causes the non visible light to pass through, causing more heat underneath. Black absorbs the heat on the outside.
Ever wonder why motorcycle clothes are black too? That’s why.
(I researched because I would’ve liked white clothes)
Black leathers don’t show the tire dust and asphalt as much. White clothes are a bitch to keep clean.
Your skin touching the underside of the hot black fabric gets hot. You can do this yourself and feel it.
'cuz it’s more badass
And because white leather just looks awful.
That’s actually been debunked. The difference between black and white clothing is so negligible it’s entirely unnoticeable. The structure of the clothing is far more important.
It has only been debunked for lose fitting clothing since there is airflow between the clothes and skin. It is not negligible for tight clothing.
It’s also negligible for tighter clothing. See https://nltimes.nl/2023/07/21/wearing-white-clothing-wont-make-cooler-heat-researchers-confirm
Maybe the study was more robust that this article suggests, but this doesn’t tell me anything. Humans are amazing at regulating our remperature via sweat, so I have zero doubt that normal healthy people will have the same internal and even skin temps wearing different color clothing in different conditions. If the group wearing e.g. dark codlors just sweat X% more to compensate, we can’t draw any conclusions at all. Clothing is complicated, since airflow and moisture retention matter significantly, but we know for a fact that lighter colors reflect more energy than darker colors.
Apparently black clothes, when worn loose with a big skirt like that, can create a chimney effect and increase airflow underneath
This is correct and something I learned about recently. The style of a lot of middle eastern type clothing is all very loose and baggy for both men and women, because of that, the color of the clothing doesn’t affect it’s heat intake. It’s thought that a lot of clothing styles came to be because of what was available to use to weave them. If I’m remembering correct, the desert areas had a lot of wool to work with. Wool is an insulator… So in order to wear it in that climate they wove it very loose with a lot of layers and baggyness. I’m not an expert on the matter though, so I might be mistaken
Those are images of Tuaregs, the nomadic people living in the Sahara. You see only few wearing white garnments. The majority wears shades of blue or even black. I trust the people who actually live in the desert to know about how to deal with the sun and heat:
Yes but this is clearly a fashion show. I mean just look at the camel toe.
Muslim here, face covering is not religiously mandated at all, to the point that it actually MUST be removed when going on hajj. Anything else is religious extremism.
Even wearing hijab HAS to be a woman’s choice and cannot be forced upon them by anyone else. People who force women to do otherwise are control freaks who don’t think women are human and I hate them as much as I hate Zionists.
The only thing that women are religiously mandated to cover at all times in public is their torso up to their elbows, and their legs up to their knees. For men it’s their legs from belly button to knees. To make it clear, This is coming from a person who would not enforce my beliefs on anyone else, and supports trans rights because all humans deserve to do what they’d like as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone else
As long as religion is not woman’s choice, you can force whatever you want.
I’m a woman who overheats really easily and I work at a bakery (my need for free good coffee overwhelmed my need for temperature stability when choosing a job), so I wear loose dark-colored linen shorts year round. They come to a couple of inches above my knees and I don’t think they could be considered sexy by anyone without a very specific fetish- I feel very much like a mailman wearing them (that’s intentional, I’m generally a pretty modest dresser).
One of our regular customers is an imam, and a lot of my coworkers are nominally Muslim, to the point that they feel weird/guilty when he comes in, but I was raised Catholic, so I don’t mind. He’s a good guy, and we chat sometimes, including about religious guidelines (I’m the kind of asshole who likes to have opinions about things in the Quran without being able to read Arabic, and he takes that about as well as a reform rabbi, plus I am delicate about how I phrase things).
Summer before last, I was in the middle of losing ten kilos because of the heat. I couldn’t keep meals down and basically only wanted to eat cucumbers and watermelon, but I still had to work. I asked him about what would happen to Muslims with my heat tolerance, and he laughed a little and said that it was like asking what happens to diabetics during Ramadan. Obviously there can be medical exceptions to all of the rules and anyone could see from several meters away that I was not handling the heat well.
I’ll grant you, this guy is a liberal imam living in Germany, but it is reasonable that a major world religion not adopt strict environmental regulations that endanger their believers.
That imam has got it right. Anyone who has a medical issue where they have to take something orally is exempt from fasting.
People overcomplicate things, when in reality it’s all about doing what you can. Even for something that’s as forbidden as eating pork; if you’re starving in the middle of a savanna and the only thing you can find to eat is a wild boar you managed to kill, go for it. Doing the basic survival thing always comes first.
Yeah, it’s the same reason my very devout Catholic grandmother didn’t feel guilty about taking medication before mass and still having communion. Reasonable people interpret religious texts reasonably.
I think… it took me a second… you’re speaking as a religious scholar, not at all about how countries implement the rules, right? You’re talking about your interpretation of the Quran, not what the Iranian government dictates, yeah?
Oh I’m speaking about interpretation on an individual level, which is honestly how it should be. Modern governments can’t even follow their own rule book, so having them attempt to follow something else that they choose to interpret however they like is an issue itself