• Tiltinyall@beehaw.org
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    2 months ago

    Such a half truth, fascism is a part of ALL governance. Please name a socialist or communist country that hasn’t had a fascist leader at the top.

    • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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      2 months ago

      1st of all there is no such thing as a communist country, as communism describes a state-, money- and classless society.

      Then I think you are conflating two very different things: what I think you are alluring to, simply describes a more centralised and ruthless approach at achieving and keeping alive a revolution. (and arguably betraying it, but that does not constitute fascism)

      Fascism is a very different thing. Basically it’s the act of “unifying” a group of people or nation against a caricature of a “common enemy”. It seeks the suppression of proletarian class struggle by forcing collaboration and integrating society into one “corpus”. Corporatism is a core tenant of fascism, which is (imo) very well depicted through unions being forced to merge with (or be disbanded into) private companies, because “such distinctions are obsolete when we stand united as one Volk”. Those class distinctions never disappear, but the whole charade is basically based on that premise.

      Ofc this all serves the protection of capital by fooling the working masses and suppressing labour or simply “undesirable” elements of society…

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        2 months ago

        Communism involves, almost by definition, a centrally planned economy. That isn’t really possible without a state.

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            A Leninist would tell you that the “state” is defined by class suppression

            A Leninist should perhaps open a dictionary instead of trying to redefine words.

            small groups that own and control their own means of production are capable of spontaneously organizing at a mass scale

            An Anarchist has clearly never worked in any group setting I’m familiar with.

        • алсааас [she/they]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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          2 months ago

          Socialism can involve that (decentralised planning is possible)

          In communism - as there is no need for the suppression of reactionary classes anymore - the socialist state ceases to exist in terms of what we know as a “state”

          Administration of the economy can and will still exist in the post-“socialist world republic” (ie. communist) world

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        Oh yeah big comrade? What does capitalism describe then? The fAsCisT gubment that supports your little suburban lifestyle with your college philosophy friends that are gonna change the world with your liberal arts degree? Thanks comrade pot for calling out my black ole kettle. You made the claim that fascism is secretly coded into capitalism. Two intrinsically different things, and my point is that there’s so so so many more fascist led socialist countries than there are fascist led capitalist countries.