Edit: I don’t mean someone that will sacrifice their life for yours, more someone who would go out of their way to rush you to the hospital or something
just a few and that’s ok. people will make good and bad things and there are a few with whom you’ll really get along with. keep them close.
I have trusted humans in the past. They have always failed me. Humans are not to be trusted. Just look at the state of the terrarium we live in.
Good? Many The other is completely different thing independent of being ‘a good person’
Zero, but I’ve heard rumors they exist.
I love my mom.
Are you implying she’s the only one you trust or did you just feel like announcing that
“Good” or “trust my life with”? The two can be mutually exclusive. If I was in the wrong, would a good person defend me?
I’ve met a few people with genuinely good morals in my life. They do exist and are almost incorruptible. Most people are flexible in that we can make justifications for almost anything.
I think the number is a lot higher and the barrier of trust a lot lower than people think.
If you come across a vehicle accident and you are able to help someone generally people don’t even think and just take action to save another persons life.
In reactionary scenarios where direct intervention saves someone’s life, people help a lot more than you’d think.
As a species we generally have a bypass in our brains that makes us want to help others in desperate need.
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I don’t think it’s wise to ever trust another person 100%. You should be aware that anyone could turn on you in the correct situation with the correct pressures.
You’re right, but sometimes you need someone to hold the other end of the rope when you lower yourself over a cliff.
Unfortunately if I’m going over a cliff it’s a solo adventure and I don’t plan on coming back up.
Damn fren.
It’s just logical.
the sort of logic that’s fundamentally irrational.
How? Anyone you know could betray you at any moment for various reasons. Simply because it’s unlikely doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
and your heart could fail at any moment randomly. doesnt make it rational to design your whole life around it. Yes people can betray your trust, but again and again and again it’s been shown that people dont betray eachother far far more often than they do. Also, if you’re big on Logic™️, lying only works if the vast majority of communication is truthful.
I mean you are making sense. I still don’t see the issue with keeping a little bit in reserve for those potentialities.
sure, im not saying blindly trust people in all situations. but distrust should be exceptional, not normal.
There are no good or bad people.
Ah yes, John Wayne Gacy, what a terrible loss for society! /s
The fuck out of here, you dumbass.
I didn’t say people didn’t do bad things and make bad choices. I’m sorry you’re not able to understand that.
Can you tell me why you believe serial killers are neither good or bad
They do bad things. If a rabid dog attacks a child, killing it, is the dog bad? If a priest gives comfort to a dying man then molests a child is he good then bad? No he’s neither. The actions are good or bad; the individual is neither.
You do understand dogs that attack people unprovoked are put down everyday right? And to compare a dog’s critical thinking to a human’s is asinine.
A priest is allowed to molest kids as long as he does good things to balance it? If you truly believe that then you are out of your mind.
You’ve got an interesting sense of logic
Look, you can interpret what I said anyway you like, but regardless I’m correct. If a serial killer believes himself to be “good” and you believe him to be “bad” which one of you is correct? How about a man that wants so badly to murder everyone he meets but doesn’t ever do it? Is he a good man as long as he doesn’t act?
Those are completely different situations? So you believe serial killers are good and someone who doesn’t actually kill is the same as a serial killer. Good lord man, you need to either stop the drugs or start taking some.
Don’t bother me with your insanity anymore
Reading comprehension is truly a lost art…
I know way more people who would at least attempt to save my life in an emergency than I think are genuinely good people. But I do actually think that’s part of identifying a decent person. Empathizing with someone suffering in front of you and wanting to help is such a low standard for empathy that even untrained animals sometimes pass this bar. Empathizing with living things more broadly and outside of your personal bubble is a task that’s apparently too much to ask of most people I’ve met. Good way to gauge this is to get someone talking for a bit about the unhoused population of their hometown.
I think animals are much more capable of empathy than the average person
There are a lot of people who would rush me to the hospital but also voted to take away my rights and worse. I don’t know if I believe in good people these days.
Maybe 15 to 25% tops.
I think it’s dangerous to consider anyone to be a fundamentally good person or a fundamentally bad person. It’s impossible to know what someone is internally and I am not a believer in determinism. Every person is complex and capable of good and evil acts depending on their circumstances.
Especially when you live in a cutthroat competitive culture in which what little to win is jealously guarded by narcissistic psychopaths, many people understand at least on some level that public behavior is a performance intended to reap rewards rather than an honest presentation of oneself. Good and evil is inapplicable here. Our system is amoral, and we human animals are just going to do what we consider to be a good idea at a time and only a few of us really consider the ethics of what we’re going to do before we do it, and the few of us capable of that only do it some of the time.
Someone can do the right thing for the right reasons, the right thing for the wrong reasons, the wrong thing for the right reasons, or the wrong things for the wrong reasons. I can never know their internal part, just base my expectations on how their behavior effects me and others. I wouldn’t trust anyone until I consider them to be trustworthy, though I can’t expect to always be right about that either.
Your comment seems to be conflicting
In what way?
You recognize that our world breeds narcissistic psychopaths so you likely understand it would be in your best interest to avoid them but you also don’t think you should make judgements on people’s character
Being a narcissistic psychopath is a circumstance, not an expression of internal evil. Narcissistic psychopaths are also capable of doing the right things for the right reasons as well as for the wrong reasons. The reason I advocate against guessing people’s internal morality is mainly practical for my own relationships, but also is to encourage people to fix systemic problems instead of pretending some malicious force of evil is omnipresently working against the interests of mankind as many religious people believe. In a better system, narcissistic psychopaths could get what they want without harming others for their ends.
You’re right in that the majority of people have terrible judgement, not everyone has training to recognize personality traits and often make horrible assumptions. But at the core of it, if you strive for a society with as little conflict as possible, you require the general to care about the general.
A narcissistic psychopath is inherently, by definition, incapable of doing that naturally. They can mask and imititate but left to their own devices they will always be a detriment to society as a whole. Narcissism, lack of empathy and remorse, manipulation are all grouped as Anti-Social Personality Disorders for a reason.
They aren’t anti-social in the sense that they don’t like to party, they are anti-social in the sense that their goals do not align with a properly functioning society.
Fortunately in your example, the general can still serve the general as anti-social personality disorders will always be in the minority especially if that society functions properly for the general welfare of its people. As for doing it naturally, we naturally live in hunter-gatherer bands. Society is fully socially constructed and requires all of us to resist many aspects of our natures for it to function in a way that benefits us.
What I am arguing for is that these individuals are honestly acknowledged for their tendencies and deficits so that they can get the help they need while serving in a capacity which limits their ability to harm others due to their negligence and benefits others by utilizing their strengths. A psychopath can understand that it is in their self-interest to live in a stable friendly society. Honestly I don’t personally know to integrate a full-blown narcissist, but I expect it’s possible. I don’t think it’s possible or advisable to make any effort to remove all psychopaths and narcissists from society since eugenic thinking is responsible for many of the worst atrocities in human history.
Do you see any current day examples of how a minority of people acting with machevellianism can rise to positions of power because they are willing to trample everyone in their path with complete disregard for human life?
I designate all folks as good folks. Even with the whole ‘every action is inherently selfish’ worldview that I have. I think most anyone close to me, and anyone nearby with free time would rush me to the hospital.
Though, I think leaving me to die is fair and wouldn’t make someone a bad person. I am only the center of my universe.
I’d imagine that that point of designating good and bad people is to decide where to put your effort. Who to try and support. Maybe to decide who to keep in your life. I’d say that can be done just fine without labeling folks as “bad people”.
I worry folks will dehumanize and become a bit too negligent of the experiences of “bad people”. “Bad people” just means “contradictory and offensive culture” in most cases.
Having actually been rushed to hospital when I was a kid by my friends after a big accident on my bike I would say the number is higher than you might think. They even walked by bike back home, which considering it was miles from home was pretty mad for teenagers.
I would say at least 20 people I know who are close to me either have done something I would consider above and beyond for me already or I know for sure would do so. Thats not counting any relatives.
