Israeli jailers would wrap Palestinian prisoners in shrouds and bury them alive.
As they began to suffocate, just before death took hold, a small amount of air was allowed in to keep them alive, only for the process to be repeated moments later.
Abukhater said the torture began the moment they were detained and continued until the very last moment before their release.
“Our hands and feet were shackled, and they struck us with frozen water bottles and bottles filled with olives,” he added.
“There, the soldiers urinated in a container and then poured it over our faces and bodies.”
It’s too bad there aren’t any historical lessons about the evils of perceiving one group of people as sub-human. Oh well, nothing to be done I suppose!
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I’d say there is one thing at least (/s is noted btw):
Being a victim does not make you an advocate. You would think it does, it happens all the movies and TV shows, but it just doesn’t, not by default.
I’ve heard people say it could never be that bad, because they wouldn’t do what was done onto them.
I hope everyone learns it this time: identity does not define your morality. Trauma is not some magical sauce to a good moral compass, that’s just trying to draw a silver lining on a mass grave.
This is why the means to commit these atrocities should not exist. Evil will always exist no matter the framework or environment, good people can always be made to do bad things. You give the most oppressed and agrieved people the weapons, money, hierarchy and financial incentive to oppress and they will
That’s why I feel it’s so important to make a society that defaults to “morality” and limits the tools for harm without requiring utopian ideas of universal goodwill and altruism amongst all citizens to keep the system inherently good and altruistic
It takes a crazy amount of resources to set up a society be okay with torture, to shape media just right to allow apathy or ignorance, to wage wars and to gin up the support of these wars that require billions to wage.
I wouldn’t say evil exist no matter what, rather, as I’ve heard elsewhere:
If you had only seen bears at circuses, one might assume that the natural state for bears is juggling while balancing on a ball.
Human nature is a thing we exchanged for larger and larger communities, what it was before and how it’s changed is a largely an unknowable, unwritten thing.
But generally I agree with your sentiment and it’s why I advocate for anarchy and moving to a mutualistic society that shares the wealth of the world rather than letting a few horde it all and begrudgingly toss out scraps.
This isn’t 1940 nazi Germany and pretend you didn’t know. Nor can the Israelis or massive amounts of “secular Jews” say they didn’t know or didn’t understand what they did, especially with the 70+ year concept of never again and “we are the eternal victim”
Whether it happens Tommorow or in 80 years. I will live my life to ensure the world doesn’t forget what Israel and America have done, Noe will my kids or their kids. The sun has set on the Roman (American) empire and it’s silly little colonial foothold will be dismantled. While Israel doesn’t make me hate Jewish people, I’m stating to truly believes well over 50% of the entire people’s faith are corrupted, brainwashed or straight evil.
But if the world started to hate Jews, who could literally blame them now? Israel has been the worst thing for antisemetism and has hijacked an ancient and mostly pacifist faith. All Israeli crimes are Jewish crimes, and all their genocides and crimes against humanity is specifically done in the name of the Jews.
Antizionist jewish voices are being silenced by Western media. How many articles have you read about jewish people who are afraid of anti genocide protesters, and how many articles have you read about antizionist jewish people angry about the genocide? I can assure you that the proportion of antizionist jews is much bigger than what Western media would make you think. Their crimes and complicity will come to light at some point.
Agreed. My sense was there was a disproportionate Jewish presence at Palestinian liberation protests I attended.
Hating entire groups of people based on assumptions that they are all the same is always ignorant and wrong. People just need to remind themselves of this no matter how “right” it might feel in a particular instance.
Mostly pacifist faith?! My friend, the abramic religions, with the exception of a few small cults within them, have been warrior religions, from inception. Jesus maybe tried to change that but even warned his teachings would turn brother against brother.
My friend I think you are uneducated or over confident in your knowledge of Abrahamic faiths. Let me start with Judaism. How is it a warrior religion when (atleast original Judaism) until 20th century was a peaceful religion. Ironically of what you said, Christianity is the least connected to a real person or a real idea. The religion was pseudo dead for 300 years after jesus died until the Romans appropriated it and turned into an imperial religion.
Uh, the invasion of Canaan for starter. I’m not dissing Israelis. This is pretty factual. We don’t even know a single historical Jesus existed. We do know the Messiah isn’t supposed to present while Israel is a nation not in exile. But I’m just a beginner at kabbalah, and that’s irrelevant anyway. I’m talking historical fact. While Jericho and slaves building pyramids probably never happened, Israel invading Canaan probably did.
Anyway, I’m not arguing what we “know” right now. If the data changes, I’m so there with it. I wish you peace.
Look I’m pro Pali so this isn’t me coming from a political but rather a historical view. First and foremost. Judaism was a religion passed by language for generations before being written down, think how insane a game of Chinese whispers like that would go? Theyre book is pretty barbaric in the amolek stuff but actual physical data goes against any proof of any genocide or walls of Jericho falling down.
I am dissing Israelis tho, judaism was hijacked by a bunch of upper class elitist Ashkenazi Jews who weren’t being accepted into white bourgeoisie society so they wanted their own ethnostate with a little inspiration from European colonisation. Even Hebrew was a dead language being “revived” by Frankensteining modern and old Arabic into the new Hebrew language.
You are right, no proof on jesus or even abraham, and mohammed having any sort of connection to either of those two beings seems laughable (as an ex Muslim). It’s all an absolute joke but you look through Judaism entire history before 1850, they have never ever been a warrior people. Even the ethno religion is bogus since those born to Jews must do things to prove their faith as a Jew (I really respect even if that practice is both part dead part corrupted)
Christianity was also hijacked 300 years after jesus died by Constantine who all Christians have a boner for. Turned a peaceful religion into the apparatus of imperial power, more than Hellenism could have ever brought.
Of the three Abrahamic faiths only islam was a warrior religion and that mostly comes down to arabia being under the boot of that at moment two very weak and broken empires and them reaching peak empire immensely fast further cementing to the Muslim invaders this was the best path
Apparently I have to eat my words! Please accept my apology. I went back to
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah and skimmed (I’m stupid tired, I need to properly read this when my brain isn’t mush).
Thanks for sharing and I’d be interested in relearning history. Agree with ashakanazi assessment on the face , not again i also need to reread when I’m properly rested.
Accepted and no issues my friend, at the end of the day, it’s all about learning and further improving ones knowledge. In an age of misinformation and buzzwords, we should try our best to learn.
The depth of your generosity will be the saving grace of humanity, imo, expressed so confident here:
an age of misinformation and buzzwords, we should try our best to learn.
I look forward to learning and growing with you.
Thank you so much for affording me an opportunity to grow a little, in this exchange. May you be happy and well.
you’d think jewish people would know better after all they’ve been through.
maybe hitler was on to something (obvious /s)
Calm down there Kanye
They should, but they’re human, and this is just such a quintessentially human thing – mindless hate and brutal torture are features, not bugs.
I’m a human and I don’t want to do any of those things.
…unless she consents and gets off on it.
