We should throw some cash at Saab and see if they can come up with a stealth gripen or something.
Europe already has a program for a 6th gen in the works for 2040 or 2050. Saab should join it! However in the meanwhile the gripen-e is an excellent aircraft yes.
Careful, that’s how you end up with cool sedans and hatchbacks.
Every country knows the US changes faces faster than my ex girlfriend.
At this point other countries just need to deal with 4 years of this bullshit.
If Trump were to take over the government like Hitler did, which looks to be the case, only then would countries start looking at dropping the USA.
No. There’s no telling what comes after these 4 years. The US has proven that they aren’t an ally worth relying on, we should look to more reliable partners and building them up and vice versa. Any concession or help offered by the next administration isn’t worth the paper it’s written on (just look at trump ripping up his own trade agreement for this nonsense.)
We need allies not a neighbour that on a whim might try to throw us into a recession.
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Exactly. With a Presidential Monarchy, no deal or treaty can be trusted past the next election (assuming they’ll still have those).
More than more Trump, we are also seeing a complete abandonment of the US much vaunted system of checks and balances. You simply can’t deal with them except in 4 year periods.
If you look back at the history of the US, it’s been fairly reliable in it’s first world alliances.
Yeah, they’ve pretty strongly turned from recent history though. No one in NATO believes the US could be trusted to uphold article 5 anymore. That’s the whole issue.
Hell, why doesn’t Ukraine have the nuclear deterrnet that it had after the collapse of the Soviet Union? Because they foolishly believed American security promises, which were given in exchange for them releasing their nukes.
Exactly. But it also shows it’s more about Trump than America.
Plus we got other stuff to worry about, and playing nice with America is probably better in the long run.
What? Ukraine was first invaded before trump and then again without him there. In both cases, the security provided was less than what was originally guaranteed. Ukraine got screwed by believing America.
It’s not just trump, there’s a whole Senate and Congress cheering him on. I would not gamble our future by relying on it to only be a trump phenomenon. If Americans had elected him once and horrified of their mistake, never came close again, that’d be one thing. But we has elected with a plurarlity of votes.
America has proven an untrustworthy ally and that thwir promises aren’t worth the paper their written in.
I don’t think Canada’s security should be “well, let’s just hope they don’t do it yet again!”
@MyBrainHurts @x00z yeah its a harsh lesson here in Europe as well. But a Trump that was slightly more patient and subtle would have been far more dangerous for us all.
Oh absolutely, thank heavens trump is cartoonishly cruel and selfish, it’s quickly united everyone else. A clever, subtle and patient trump would’ve been much more dangerous.
I just fully disagree with the earlier comment that this is a one off trump only aberration.
Switzerland too!
American here. Who cares if it provokes Trump? Actions have consequences. Canada helped out a lot during 911. What did we do? Prove to be an unreliable partner
ooh no, it might provoke the person who is back stabbing us at every conceivable opportunity
I don’t think Canada should be basing their defense decisions on the opinion and thin skin of the American government. Trying to force Canada, in any way, to purchase F35’s is fishy - not that that’s happening, of course.
Canada’s interests are for Canada. Not them. Also, maybe Canada should reboot their ventures into the Avro Arrow program again. That’ll ruffle some feathers. Canadian engineered military = quite formidable, I think.
Canadian engineered military = quite formidable, I think.
Here’s the bad news. It’s not. Sure, we’re good at peacekeeping, and we deploy to support (militarily) our allies. But we’re using US gear and we’re woefully underfunded because war budget has been declared a waste by even the parties who strut and posture about a strong military. We only needed to fulfill our NATO obligations, for decades, and even that has been a struggle we haven’t won consistently with the low budget.
And while we’re skilled enough and gung-ho, and our 1st Pioneers are about the most scary bunch of lumberjack commandos you’ll ever see, there’s just so few of them, and again their gear has been called old and out of repair by every administration campaigning because the last one never did a thing about it.
We’re gonna need a lot of funding and training and gear to make up the shortfall in people and powpow toys, and that’s a slice of gov pork that Milhouse is gonna latch onto knowing that he doesn’t need an army once he gives the country over. Justin doesn’t want to spend that, but he - and please God let it be Mark next - is really gonna have to.
But how do we sell it to the “hair guy bad” flatlanders steeped in 12 years of hating Justin for not being a pseudo-aristocratic milquetoast conservative?
100% TODAY! Do not pay a fucking dime of any amount owing for these. (good job on Globe and Mail for a change)
FYI, the Israeli version of F35 does not have this “US permission for every flight required”
F35 is a POS plane, with low uptime, in addition to “broken ownership”. Even US military does not get manuals on how to repair/maintain them and must hire Lockheed consultants to do the job. The whole program was a boondoggle to pay Lockheed the most money possible instead of getting good military equipment, and any corrupt POS that was involved in approving this purchase for Canada should be jailed for treason.
There’s nothing stopping Canada from getting the manuals and patching the software. Most of the FUD about it’s performance abilities is propaganda. So getting them and just locking out Lockheed and the US would be a pretty good middle finger too.
The performance metrics are criticisize by US military journals.
There’s nothing stopping Canada from getting the manuals and patching the software.
If US military can’t get them or patch the software, Canada can’t either. Israel is special for not putting up with US BS.
I haven’t seen that. I’ve only seen blogs saying stuff. And if you have the literal hardware in your hands then changing the software isn’t going to be hard as a country.
8m lines of source code for F35 OS, afaiu. Vendor is intentionally crippling your access/functionality, and USMCA calls that “proper pro business attitude”. Again, Lockheed has accomodated Israel in not crippling their version. It’s not as though you have open source hardware to which to code your own OS ontop.
Only dumping the POS is appropriate. Call it a negotiation position.
This is the one that starved pilots of oxygen, right?
That was the F-22 and it was over a decade ago. The problem has since been fixed.
Ah okay. But that spreads the worry without diluting it. Are the people who didn’t check the box “don’t drown the pilot” on the raptor q/a form also now on the fluffy-Amy team? What kind of drunken shenanigans can we anticipate?
Bring back the avro arrow. Let’s do it.
With a potential for an american invasion on the table, I wouldn’t want to cancel that deal without another similar plane deal lined up
While I do not believe the US will actually invade Canada, I don’t imagine the F35 would be much help in that situation. I am sure there are remote access capabilities to cease their operation, at the very least.
While I do not believe the US will actually invade Canada
Until a few weeks ago I did not believe the US would impose tariffs on Canada or call it the “51st state,” so…
The tariff go around happened last time, which is how we ended up with the NAFTA replacement. The “51st state” nonsense was projected previously, which is more about his ego and his belief that he has a lot of support in Canada.
You have to enter a password to start up the F35. That password changes every day and USA needs to give these passwords. Locking a country out of the plane is as simple as stop sending the new passwords.
Hmm, opinions on the internet on if that’s true are mixed at best. It’s a level of control I’d be shocked anyone would accept. Someone on Quora is saying most countries weren’t even happy Lockheed Martin manages the supply chain and maintenance software.
the potential for an invasion is precisely the reason you don’t want the f-35 around. that warbird is the most technologically dependent device ever crafted for warfare. it is deeply vulnerable to an adversary with the knowledge simply bricking it remotely and you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think the us military wouldn’t brick all of them. the better plan is to train with prior gen jets and asymmetric combat using drones.
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Russian drones are better. Fiber optics overcome all radio jamming. Destroys all the things. Ukraine does not have excess production. Canada peace with Russia means that NORAD is us protecting the US, instead of allowing their BS that they are protecting us. US should pay a lot for NORAD.
that doesn’t really make sense given that the situation is that the US and Russia are aligned and Canada is not aligned with them. if Canada were aligned, the F-35s wouldn’t be a concern at all
Don’t forget the Gripen. There’s a great offer for domestic production still on the table, and it’s the asymmetric stall-an-invasion fighter.
I don’t think an invasion could realistically happen. 1. Need congress to authorize a war that would impact U.S. soil and 2. need the military which isn’t under trumps thumb
But making sure they have another deal is smart, probably delay the f-35, and get maybe the euro fighter or so. Solid planes and itd be horrible for U.S. to lose a military contract in NA to an EU. Get the military industrial conplex pissed at trump.
There’s a hell of a lot of “Congress has to authorize” that’s being blatantly ignored right now.
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the President has a 30 day authority to use the military anywhere in the world. After 30 days he needs congressional authority. He can get a second 30 days while that’s going on and if Congress says no then he has to remove all troops within a final 30 day period.
If Congress never says anything then he effectively has a blank check.
Your best bet would actually be to run TV Ads trying to get the military to refuse the order. I think a large percentage actually would. I also think he’s going to invade Mexico first and if he does invade Canada he’ll do it like the Russians did Ukraine. (They told their troops it was a training mission and then only told them at the border that it was real)
If they were serious about invasions they wouldn’t deliver. We’re better off with Gripens IMO but she’s an even more expensive option.
Immediate cancel. After attitude readjustment, accept bids from Lockheed and others.
The PM agrees with The Globe and Mail once and now they think they’ll get two in a row?
The US can remotely disable them whenever they damn well please anyway, and can not be trusted not to.
Everyone should be canceling their orders immediately, and disable the remote access capabilities to the ones they have.
Nobody should have ever purchased military equipment with that feature.
Has it actually been confirmed they can do this? I would assume they backdoor them, but usually backdoors are secret.
They require software updates for every mission, that are distributed from the US.
You can probably fly / use it without those, but you lose all the advanced command & control features
Let me guess… microsoft designed it.
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“It’s military-grade”
Some high ranking US intelligence dude said something along the lines of that yeah. I dont think anyone has hacked into one of them to check or reverse engineer the code tho.
It’s several millions of lines of code, and it gets a lot harder to follow once compiled, so that would be a big project.
They don’t function without phoning home to a US-controlled server every 24 hours.
Well shit that’s an easy fix. Redirect it to your server.
You have the private keys?
I’m willing to bet a country, especially ones involved in the production, aren’t going to have too much trouble.
We keep telling them Always online is stupid, but do they listen?
Give is to Empress, she’ll knock out a crack in no time.
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Any NATO member increasing their military spending would be idiotic to spend their money with US-based companies.
Let’s do it and replace them with MiGs 🤨
Hell yeah they should. We need to be able to defend ourselves against southern aggression, and the F35 is compromised based on what Trump himself threatened.
Canada should cancel the F-35 contract and their are better fighter jets from reliable NATO allies. The F-35 is a $2 trillion USD turd that is still not 100%. If Canada continues to purchase US weapons, this would be like Poland buying weapons from Nazi Germany. I am hoping the US MIC becomes pissed off.
2 trillion is a fuckload of drones!
