Sorry guys, I’m locking it. It’s turning into an international politics thread and I don’t have the bandwidth to watch it.
23% of the country voted for Trump
Libs gotta keep crying about their imaginary democracy because otherwise they stand for nothing but the status quo.
can you explain your comments in terms that are understandable to normal people?
Democrats offer nothing but status quo aka daddy oligarchy… Same as Trump but he is provocative and he got people going.
Biden won (daddy issues for sure, but not oligarchy), because the r’s crossed over to the other side. I think you might have it a bit messed up.
Okay so, OP said “Libs” which isnt mutually exclusive with “Democrats”, and you did not offer a normal person explanation either. Go talk to your coworkers or family about what “daddy oligarchy” is and tell me if they have any idea what Youre talking about.
“daddy oligarchy” is and tell me if they have any idea what Youre talking about.
It doesn’t take a college degree to figure this one out, dear… They do get lost once I start discussing surplus value of labour tho
So you got me there 🥲
They’re just trying to get a rise out of people. Nothing of substance.
Starting to really believe in this “Elon used SpaceX Technology to hack voting machines” theory that Donald Trump keeps alluding to.
So, are we gonna have the leftist equivalent of QAnon this cycle?
“Unsure: 19%”
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Wouldn’t surprise me if 20% of people don’t even know what a constitutional crisis is or haven’t been paying attention to the news.
I have to wonder, this has to be a uniquely American problem, right? I mean, the sheer quantities of stupidity in our society? Somehow I feel like I gotta hold onto hope people are like this just because of “a poor education system” or “propaganda” or “leaded gas” etc and it’s not just innate human nature for a portion of the population to be so goddamn stupid.
Sadly there weren’t polls to observe during previous dictatorship takeovers. None, that I know of. So to be able to gauge the stats of stupidity in Nicaragua or Germany during the world war isn’t possible. But I guess we can at least look at the accounts from the people of that time. I have a sinking suspicion that the human species is genuinely just this stupid, though. I’m in process of reading the book, “They Thought They Were Free” and “Before the Revolution” and it seems people are genuinely just very simple. Sorry, friend.
Because memes aren’t journalism:
Sample 1106 U.S. adult citizens Conducted February 3-6, 2025 MarginofError ±4.2%
MarginofError ±4.2%
That’s not too bad, a plurality at least agree, if not a majority.
The Trump voters replied that were in a constitutional crisis because they believed we were (and still are) in one from the Biden administration. They believe Trump hasn’t fixed the crisis yet.
This is unfortunately the answer.
How hard could it be? You go into a voting booth, look at the ballot, see Donald Trumps name and pick the other one. It was literally that simple, yat half of Americans fucked that up.
Half of voting americans.
When the status quo is no longer survivable, what do you think people want to happen?
I’m removing this entire thread. Please don’t respond to the trolls. Make your point and then walk away.
Serious number of posts you have made for a 2 week old account.
I use social media to be social. This always struck me as a weird tactic for ad hominem, can I ask why you people use it?
Your post history says otherwise.
So i don’t make a lot of posts now?
You’re a professional agitator.
No, I’m just disagreeing with you. You know you’re not important enough to waste money on. No you’re not being gang stalked, no one’s reading your thoughts with God guns or crystal frequencies, and no the 7.5 billion people that disagree with your view are not paid to do so.
“This ice is really thin and dangerous. I should kick down hard on it so I die.”
“this ice in the middle of the Pacific Ocean is thin, dangerous, and shrinking quickly, and I already maxed out my credit cards and all loans just to live below the poverty line. I can either break the ice and hope I grow gills or wait the last few hours of hydration I have left for help that I was explicitly told wasn’t coming because they said no one was on the ice.”
Ftfy.
When the alternative is a fascist dictatorship? Uhh… gee… I DON’T KNOW!
They’re dying and suffering either way. Four years of Biden was the straw that broke all hope for anything ever getting better.
Pretty much all classes of Americans lost all hope according to both general polls on the subject and the massive amount of new credit card debt and historic high records of defaults on all debts, front mortgages to car loans to credit cards to personal loans.
What do they care about a fascist dictatorship? They’re going to die poor within a decade anyway. Nothing was getting better. From the perspective of a trump voter, Trump at worst was acceleration to the inevitable, with a chance he makes things better.
Until you people understand why fascists can seize power and how people actually think, you will always lose and require the left to fix your fuck ups. Again.
What do they care about a fascist dictatorship? They’re going to die poor within a decade anyway.
So might as well drag everyone to die along with them. Right. Things are bad, so let’s just make them WORSE!
That is not only a very pessimistic perspective, but a very stupid one as well.
The power wasn’t taken. It was given. The writing was on the wall. People knew what was going to happen. Project 2025 was known and it was what was going to happen. People still voted for it.
In short, yes.
Why the fuck would they care about rich fucks like you? What have you done for them, at all, ever?
As far as Dems are concerned, both the party and seemingly it’s voters, anyone poor and white deserves it and worse.
If you refuse to meet people where they are and instead dictate how you think their life should be without any reasoning or arguments provided, people will reject you even without a history of explicitly abandoning the working class when you were needed the most.
Project 2025 doesn’t scare normal people. It’s awful, sure, but it’s not worse. It’s not worse than being denied benefits for 30 years and having to scrape by in mutual aid network of neighbors and family. It’s not worse than being laid off with no available work within a hundred miles and having to just live. It’s not worse than seeing your family wiped out over the last 5 decades. It’s not worse than the US government personally guaranteeing opioids are a safe non addictive treatment for the pain your non union job gave you.
It’s simply not worse than barely not surviving. Sorry you’re just now suffering. Maybe listen to the left next time when we tell you not to fucking brag about the economy to people out of work and killing themselves. maybe don’t message about trans rights to people that can’t afford healthcare even with the ACA. Maybe don’t celebrate giving another 100 billion to fucking Ukraine when there are people living near open sewage lines and glad to have that right here in the US. Maybe don’t celebrate immigration when you know you’re not punishing the companies hiring the undocumented over native workers or try to 'correct the record’s about how hard immigrants have it to a group thats been economically depressed since before the personal computer came out.
Life was better for you, great, it wasn’t for most Americans. It sucks you’re getting dragged down to where your fellow Americans are. Maybe, though, class solidarity. Maybe, though, treat them like humans for the first time. Maybe, though, be better than any Democrat.
Are you an idiot or something? Biden did a fuckton for the working class lol.
Biden’s admin :
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orchestrated the fastest rollout of free vaccines to Americans in response to the pandemic
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strengthened Obamacare,
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got inflation under control,
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forgave fuckloads of student debt,
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fixed the economy out of a recession that would’ve made the current cost of living look like paradise in less capable hands,
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cracked down on big tech monopolies,
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cracked down on junk fees/charges, cracked down on union-busting,
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did the legwork to ensure creation of jobs and an entire industry’s worth will be brought home,
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empowered federal agencies to monitor and regulate AI,
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passed bipartisan bills for $1.2 trillion investments in building and replacing crumbling US infrastructure,
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strengthened privacy regulations and last but not least
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literally gave people free money.
Did I mention he reduced violent crime, strengthened gun control, made birth control OTC, and that he did all of these broadly popular things alongside protections for minorities like trans people while dealing with every other branch of government and the Supreme Court being actively hostile?
Things are fucking awful for sure, that’s late stage capitalism for ya, but they could be a helluva lot worse, and Biden and his admin is genuinely to thank for some of that.
What was actually the problem with Biden again? That he’s just kind of old or like, not a very charismatic guy or something?
Who the fuck cares if Biden mumbles, an ideal president should be a bookish nerdy guy with strong principles and belief in something who grew up to be able to tell whats baloney and what isn’t so he can hire competent, genuine people who will give him good advice he can implement.
So you vote in another old, barely coherent guy but this one is also a corrupt racist convict backed by oligarchs and probably also Egypt and definitely Russia, who may or may not turn the country into a dictatorial clown show and who also made everything worse last time and embarrassed the nation on the global stage?
Because what - he dances funny? Makes fun of veterans? Says Obama founded ISIS? Promoted horse dewormer as a cure? Is actually a puppet for the dogecoin meme guy who wants to destroy the entire federal government?
Or are you just nostalgic about the Walmart toilet paper brawls?
What’s next, he’s gonna get shirtless and ride a bear too?
I’m starting to think you Americans have genuine brainrot. Do you really think removing pronouns from emails and mentions of gay people from the CDC is going to save the economy?
If you want Left-Wing change (better employee protections, less inequality, affordable housing and rent, less exploitation, green policy, minority rights etc), you vote for the most Left-Wing choice you have and you vote hard and you do it over and over for a decade or so, then they get comfortable and brave and the more leftie factions can sway centrists in the party without worrying about losing elections.
For a local example see the state of California, their Dems are way to the left of the Centre-Right that the national Dems occupy, and that’s because they don’t have to worry about being voted out and can afford to not please some of the electorate
Idk about the guy you replied to but I’m not “rich folks” by any stretch of the imagination and we here in the UK have it even worse, so much worse than y’all have it with at least dreams of six figure salaries where here it’s fucking feudal, you’re either a landlord or you’re piss broke.
What I’d like to know is why your country went full retard, because I don’t want the UK to also go full retard.
And lets not forget that where Biden had limited success it was largely due to Republicans blocking attempts to improve things, not because there weren’t any attempts by his administration or the Democrats. I will never understood how poor people think the party of unbridled corruption is on their side.
To answer your bullet point list:
- Thanks Trump.
- Didn’t happen, more people have lost ACA access in the last four years than gained access
- No, no he didn’t.
- …that was already slated to be forgiven, he only forgave what was already allowed under current law, which is an automatic process
- …what fucking Dreamworld are you living in, were in the middle of a depression. This lie specifically is why Dems lost
- No he didn’t.
- No, he didn’t. He did break unions himself though
- No, he didn’t. The only thing close is the chips act which failed to actually bring any significant production
- No, he didn’t.
- 1.2 trillion over the next decade, most of which was written by Republicans
- Just no, no he didn’t. This one is the least supported.
- The stimulus that was less than what fucking Mexico gave their citizens?
I hate that you fucking fascists use the firehose tactic this fucking often to advocate for your bullshit. I’m shocked you’re on db0, I thought they had a screening process.
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rich fucks like you
LoL!
You completely misinterpreted my comment thanks to your twisted perception. And your reasoning makes ko sense at all. Biden has done so much for the working class and Trump is tearing it all down. This was the obviously conclusion.
This isn’t desperate people trying to get out of the status quo. This is imbeciles who believed a con man a SECOND FUCKING TIME after he already screwed them over once. And this second time around he had a whole bigger team that would exploit him to execute their white supremacist fascist plan. And it was known!
So spare me that bullshit about poor working class people looking for something different. It’s a bunch of stupid intolerant hicks who voted Trump because they don’t understand what a trans person is.
You’re exactly the bigoted type of ‘person’ that needs to learn solidarity before you become perpetually confused as to why you’re always going to lose.
Racism, misogyny, and billionaires getting richer?
Sure, but the status quo was killing them, and Biden/Harris promised the status quo.
So maybe one of those things won’t kill them. Or won’t kill them as slowly.
If the same people that tell you record credit card debt and defaults mean a booming economy are telling you all people are equal, well you might start to question it, especially if you constantly are bombarded by propaganda reinforcing the latter being a lie.
What choice did they have? Continue dying by people explicitly lying to them? Or maybe try to give in to the other guy even if they don’t agree with him? Or maybe even just say fuck it and hope Trump does as much damage as possible and hope for something to grow from the ashes.
Then those people are morons, because they already saw what the “other guy” is. I could forgive it in 2016. But that piece of shit lied, wrecked the economy, incited a fucking insurrection, and constantly distracted from real problems with nonstop reality tv drama. We all know who the “other guy” is, and he’s far worse than the status quo. The only possible point in your explanation is the nihilistic one, but voting to end the world is ignorant and selfish. By doing so, that person is actively condoning way more suffering for others. That is far worse than whatever status quo they perceive.
If you voted for this monster knowing all that has been done and all claims of what will be done, blood is in your hands and you have no right to claim innocence. With all that will come, remember that you actively chose this path.
And you people will never have power again and never make them suffer again.
That’s the point they want to make. Yeah, it might be worse, but you fucks won’t be their owners like you have been.
They picked their owner, since they never had the option to be free.
Cutting off the nose to spite the face, got it. So mature and productive.
Closer to ‘bring down the enemy with you.’
And before you make excuses, yes, Dems have acted as an enemy to a large number of American people. Not the culture war bullshit, just the economic and drug war.
People are desperate and dying. Dem officials being insider trading hypocrites mean it’s super easy to propagandized against them. Dem states tending towards being wealthier and having an overall arrogant air about them means it’s easy to lump every dem in with the outspoken rich cali voter that sees all Republicans as cousin fucking “morons”.
So why would they care about you; you, by their view of lumping you in with all rich people, have been killing them for decades.
For what it’s worth, I am not rich and live in the deep-red south.
So, to summarize: Enrich the corrupt billionaires against your own self-interest and wellbeing to own the libs… brilliant. I guess you sure taught us a lesson!
That’s what my friend and I were saying tonight. The writing was on the wall. Why did they even voted for him when they knew what was going to happen?
"I want to be titillated all the time! Homework is boring!
I’d rather eat shit and destroy my life than show patience and consistency!"Then, in an interminable sausage of typical hollow gestures, a lazy, atrophied mindless lack of self-awareness:
“This government in no way represents me!”
Well, those are certainly a lot of words.
The planet is literally being destroying and this lib wacko is crying about kids doing their homework. Wow. Keep blaming the voters tho.
A bunch of them think the crisis is we haven’t done enough fascism yet.
Why do people trust the voting system in USA, when everything else is highly manipulated?
This election in particular was very suspicious. Not the inordinate amount of bomb threats, not only the statistically impossible high numbers of bullet ballots only in swing states just enough to push the vote counts over the ‘automatic recount’ limits, not only the guy who lost the popular vote twice winning all the swing states and the popular vote, not only Elon knowing the results hours beforehand, and not only how much Trump & Elon openly bragged about how easy the election was to hack:
“[Elon] was very effective. He knows those vote counting computers very well, and we ended up winning Pennsylvania, like, in a landslide.” - Donald Trump (https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/comments/1i5bnpp/trump_praising_elon_for_well_he_knows_vote/)
Even still, the point does remain that a good plurality of our society is openly fascist even if you factor out those ridiculous bullet ballots, I guess. It’s frustrating how it seems like everyone is just ignoring all the improbabilities just because Republicans have gaslighted us into believing that any and all election skepticism = stupid conspiracy theorist.
The word conspiracy theorist is extreamly effective, most people are afraid to be connected to that word.
Because admitting that he cheated would take away all hope for our government. I suspect that no one wants to go there.
Yeah, 100%.
The admitted he was cheating when dude was convicted for like 20+ felonies.
They also admitted that the injustice system is strictly for torturing poor people.
Do they make shirts with that?
We as a society love solving problems when it’s a crisis. It’s exciting watching people solve the problems when it’s a crisis. It’s boring watching people solve problems before getting to a crisis point.
Baseball catches are really great example of this. Watch any clip of “Great catches”, it’s someone running, diving to catch the ball. Those aren’t great catches, the player fucked up reading the play. A great catch is when the player is under the ball standing waiting for the ball to land in their glove. That’s boring, so we don’t get clip shows of it.
It’s the same when it comes to society crisis. We want our leaders to be seen solving the crisis, not preventing it from happening.
100% agree.
That said, I was pretty happy when most of Biden’s first term (except the withdrawal from Afghanistan) was pretty silent in terms of political news. I don’t really agree with what he did (or rather didn’t do) as President, but I liked that I didn’t really feel the need to pay attention.
Some of us prefer forgetting that government exists outside of tax and election seasons.
The withdrawal from Afghanistan was about the only good thing he did in his whole career, and libs will never forgive him for it.
Agreed, and once he actually followed through on it, I considered my vote for him justified. If Trump also actually pulled out, I would’ve been happy with that as well.
I wasn’t happy with all the noise in the news about it though. We all knew pulling out would suck, but it needed doing, and honestly, we should’ve pulled out under Obama.
Then why did you say you were satisfied with everying but that?
I was happy with the relative quiet in the news, except for the noise around the Afghanistan withdrawal. I’m not satisfied with his presidency (he could’ve done a much better job), but I am satisfied with the lack of drama.
That’s what I meant.
This is a perfect encapsulation of privilege. People aren’t upset that Trump is doing horrible things. They’re upset that he’s doing horrible things that might affect them. They want a Democrat who only does horrible things in other countries, so they can brunch in peace.
Americans have been told there is a crisis every fucking presidency for decades. Every election is the most important. Everything is a cultural fight. The president declares some form of emergency every fucking year to disallow certain laws to trigger since the early 90s. And we’ve seen how the electoral college steals elections.
Fuck the whole system.
We’ve been staving off fascism for a couple of decades at least, so yes, every election has been a crisis. If you’ve only been paying cursory attention, it may have sounded like we’ve been crying wolf, but if you actually looked up from your daily tasks and paid attention, you’d have seen the actual wolves circling the village.
Now their plotting has paid off and they’ve won. Unfortunately, there’s little we can do now the wolves are savaging the villagers. Instead of being annoyed with the people who called this and still saying we maybe shouldn’t have raised the alarm, maybe finally join the efforts to do something about it.
e: my autocorrect failed
Seriously, Trump is not the only cause. He is a symptom of a broken system and is making it worse rapidly. He is like the metastasis of a cancer, but removing the metastasis alone won’t cure the cancer. It will just form new metastasis. You have to remove the entire cancer.
If it wasn’t for Trump to make the primaries, the alternatives on the Republican side were people like Ron DeSantis, Mike Pence, Ted Cruz… And even Nikki Haley as the supposed “opposition” to Trump only differed on not handing Ukraine to Putin. Otherwise she is the full spectrum of racial and sexual discrimination, destroying the environment, pardoning Trump for his crimes…
A runny nose is just a symptom of a cold. I love blowing my nose until my nostrils are chapped and bleeding. Love that shit. It feels good.
Look at the options on the other side though:
- Biden - dropped out because he’s ancient
- Harris - didn’t even primary, the DNC just picked her
So you have an awful selection on one side and “mommy knows best” on the other. Which variety of corruption do you elect?
I consider the current DNC and Democratic party elites to be part of the problem.
They absolutely are. When there are only two viable options, each has an effective monopoly, and that’s a problem.
We should stop aligning with a tribe and instead demand lasting change. End FPTP and we’ll have a shot at ending the duopoly. It’s not going to break it on its own, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Because it has been a crisis for decades lol. They’re all extremely important.
since the early 90s
Political shenanigans are an American tradition going way past the 90s…
