• Cyborganism@lemmy.ca
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    13 days ago

    What do they care about a fascist dictatorship? They’re going to die poor within a decade anyway.

    So might as well drag everyone to die along with them. Right. Things are bad, so let’s just make them WORSE!

    That is not only a very pessimistic perspective, but a very stupid one as well.

    The power wasn’t taken. It was given. The writing was on the wall. People knew what was going to happen. Project 2025 was known and it was what was going to happen. People still voted for it.

    • liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works
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      13 days ago

      In short, yes.

      Why the fuck would they care about rich fucks like you? What have you done for them, at all, ever?

      As far as Dems are concerned, both the party and seemingly it’s voters, anyone poor and white deserves it and worse.

      If you refuse to meet people where they are and instead dictate how you think their life should be without any reasoning or arguments provided, people will reject you even without a history of explicitly abandoning the working class when you were needed the most.

      Project 2025 doesn’t scare normal people. It’s awful, sure, but it’s not worse. It’s not worse than being denied benefits for 30 years and having to scrape by in mutual aid network of neighbors and family. It’s not worse than being laid off with no available work within a hundred miles and having to just live. It’s not worse than seeing your family wiped out over the last 5 decades. It’s not worse than the US government personally guaranteeing opioids are a safe non addictive treatment for the pain your non union job gave you.

      It’s simply not worse than barely not surviving. Sorry you’re just now suffering. Maybe listen to the left next time when we tell you not to fucking brag about the economy to people out of work and killing themselves. maybe don’t message about trans rights to people that can’t afford healthcare even with the ACA. Maybe don’t celebrate giving another 100 billion to fucking Ukraine when there are people living near open sewage lines and glad to have that right here in the US. Maybe don’t celebrate immigration when you know you’re not punishing the companies hiring the undocumented over native workers or try to 'correct the record’s about how hard immigrants have it to a group thats been economically depressed since before the personal computer came out.

      Life was better for you, great, it wasn’t for most Americans. It sucks you’re getting dragged down to where your fellow Americans are. Maybe, though, class solidarity. Maybe, though, treat them like humans for the first time. Maybe, though, be better than any Democrat.

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        13 days ago

        rich fucks like you

        LoL!

        You completely misinterpreted my comment thanks to your twisted perception. And your reasoning makes ko sense at all. Biden has done so much for the working class and Trump is tearing it all down. This was the obviously conclusion.

        This isn’t desperate people trying to get out of the status quo. This is imbeciles who believed a con man a SECOND FUCKING TIME after he already screwed them over once. And this second time around he had a whole bigger team that would exploit him to execute their white supremacist fascist plan. And it was known!

        So spare me that bullshit about poor working class people looking for something different. It’s a bunch of stupid intolerant hicks who voted Trump because they don’t understand what a trans person is.

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          13 days ago

          You’re exactly the bigoted type of ‘person’ that needs to learn solidarity before you become perpetually confused as to why you’re always going to lose.

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        Are you an idiot or something? Biden did a fuckton for the working class lol.

        Biden’s admin :

        1. orchestrated the fastest rollout of free vaccines to Americans in response to the pandemic

        2. strengthened Obamacare,

        3. got inflation under control,

        4. forgave fuckloads of student debt,

        5. fixed the economy out of a recession that would’ve made the current cost of living look like paradise in less capable hands,

        6. cracked down on big tech monopolies,

        7. cracked down on junk fees/charges, cracked down on union-busting,

        8. did the legwork to ensure creation of jobs and an entire industry’s worth will be brought home,

        9. empowered federal agencies to monitor and regulate AI,

        10. passed bipartisan bills for $1.2 trillion investments in building and replacing crumbling US infrastructure,

        11. strengthened privacy regulations and last but not least

        12. literally gave people free money.

        Did I mention he reduced violent crime, strengthened gun control, made birth control OTC, and that he did all of these broadly popular things alongside protections for minorities like trans people while dealing with every other branch of government and the Supreme Court being actively hostile?

        Things are fucking awful for sure, that’s late stage capitalism for ya, but they could be a helluva lot worse, and Biden and his admin is genuinely to thank for some of that.

        What was actually the problem with Biden again? That he’s just kind of old or like, not a very charismatic guy or something?

        Who the fuck cares if Biden mumbles, an ideal president should be a bookish nerdy guy with strong principles and belief in something who grew up to be able to tell whats baloney and what isn’t so he can hire competent, genuine people who will give him good advice he can implement.

        So you vote in another old, barely coherent guy but this one is also a corrupt racist convict backed by oligarchs and probably also Egypt and definitely Russia, who may or may not turn the country into a dictatorial clown show and who also made everything worse last time and embarrassed the nation on the global stage?

        Because what - he dances funny? Makes fun of veterans? Says Obama founded ISIS? Promoted horse dewormer as a cure? Is actually a puppet for the dogecoin meme guy who wants to destroy the entire federal government?

        Or are you just nostalgic about the Walmart toilet paper brawls?

        What’s next, he’s gonna get shirtless and ride a bear too?

        I’m starting to think you Americans have genuine brainrot. Do you really think removing pronouns from emails and mentions of gay people from the CDC is going to save the economy?

        If you want Left-Wing change (better employee protections, less inequality, affordable housing and rent, less exploitation, green policy, minority rights etc), you vote for the most Left-Wing choice you have and you vote hard and you do it over and over for a decade or so, then they get comfortable and brave and the more leftie factions can sway centrists in the party without worrying about losing elections.

        For a local example see the state of California, their Dems are way to the left of the Centre-Right that the national Dems occupy, and that’s because they don’t have to worry about being voted out and can afford to not please some of the electorate

        Idk about the guy you replied to but I’m not “rich folks” by any stretch of the imagination and we here in the UK have it even worse, so much worse than y’all have it with at least dreams of six figure salaries where here it’s fucking feudal, you’re either a landlord or you’re piss broke.

        What I’d like to know is why your country went full retard, because I don’t want the UK to also go full retard.

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          And lets not forget that where Biden had limited success it was largely due to Republicans blocking attempts to improve things, not because there weren’t any attempts by his administration or the Democrats. I will never understood how poor people think the party of unbridled corruption is on their side.

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          13 days ago

          To answer your bullet point list:

          1. Thanks Trump.
          2. Didn’t happen, more people have lost ACA access in the last four years than gained access
          3. No, no he didn’t.
          4. …that was already slated to be forgiven, he only forgave what was already allowed under current law, which is an automatic process
          5. …what fucking Dreamworld are you living in, were in the middle of a depression. This lie specifically is why Dems lost
          6. No he didn’t.
          7. No, he didn’t. He did break unions himself though
          8. No, he didn’t. The only thing close is the chips act which failed to actually bring any significant production
          9. No, he didn’t.
          10. 1.2 trillion over the next decade, most of which was written by Republicans
          11. Just no, no he didn’t. This one is the least supported.
          12. The stimulus that was less than what fucking Mexico gave their citizens?

          I hate that you fucking fascists use the firehose tactic this fucking often to advocate for your bullshit. I’m shocked you’re on db0, I thought they had a screening process.