So…yeah. As I’m moving away from google, I’d like to store my contacts elsewhere. I have proton (I know, I know), but this is also not great, since their system isn’t too android-friendly. Which system (maybe self-hosted) would you suggest to easily sync/backup your contacts?
Thanks!
You might still have to use a gmail account for this though, depending on if your email works with it.
There’s also Nextcloud which would be self hosted.
And the extremely low tech solution of just having them offline in a foss contacts app and exporting backups from that app to your storage in case you lose them.
And the extremely low tech solution of just having them offline in a foss contacts app and exporting backups from that app to your storage in case you lose them.
that’s not a good solution because a lot of apps will be able to read them. It’s not always possible to decide for yourself what apps you have, sometimes more powerful people are going to make you use one that you don’t trust.
in a foss contacts app
I said in a foss one, I don’t think the foss developers are conspiring to get rid of your contacts, maybe for apple you might have to hope the developer doesn’t get burnt out, but the android foss community is pretty robust, but if you’re that paranoid just put them in a txt file or a spreadsheet.
that’s not what I meant. but that when you export the contacts, that happens to shared storage, that other apps can see
which apps are seeing your shared storage when you export your contacts?
any that has got permissions to do so. its a toggle in the permission settings for apps that use it
I would recommend not downloading any app that isn’t open source that has that permission enabled to begin with.
same opinion here. but sometimes it’s not a choice. Especially on a company phone, but also on a personal one. Don’t forget either that not everyone here did/can degoogle their phone.
I got Nextcloud on Hetzner. Technically, Hetzner can see the contacts stored on their servers, but I trust them enough, and everything is open source.
You can also self-host Nextcloud.
Same. Hetzner has a solid business in hosting, they don’t make their money from mining my data. They’d hand it over for a lawful request, but the data is not -that- secret and thus possible false accusations aren’t really an issue.
I’ve barely hosted anything and those must have leaked like a sieve. Trusting Hetzner way more.
Export them as a VCF file and put them on a flash drive.
I use posteo for email and use davx5 to sync contacts and calendars to their carddav and caldav servers.
I export my contacts as a file and copy it to my pc, an external HDD and several cloud providers. Anything I store in the cloud is encrypted with Rclone first. There is a nice client available for Android. I don’t pay for cloud storage so I only use the free tiers.
I guess this is only practical if you rarely make changes to your contacts.
Sync to a CalDAV/CardDAV server instead of to Google. If you’re up for self-hosting, Radicale is a good and simple one.
I use DAVx⁵ on Android and Thunderbird on the desktop. Other sync clients are listed here: https://radicale.org/v3.html#supported-clients
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forget NixOS. I understand that for seasoned users it might be a cool thing, but as I see you may be a beginner, and you totally don’t need that.
docker is solid advice though. use that and a reverse proxy, like nginx or apache (they are complete web servers with revproxy capabilities), and put different services on different subdomains of the machine’s hostname (like api.etesync.mypc.lan, and web.etesync.mypc.lan). that way you basically run multiple services with the same IP and port, and the reverse proxy separates the different traffic of services by looking at the subdomain.
if I’m right that you’re a beginner, take your time, you’re not in a rush. it will work out, but you’re learning, it might take some patience here and there
what would you do without selfhosting?
I do that for myself, but I can’t recommend that to 99% of people around me, and I can’t let them into my system either.
I have seen etesync, but that requires a subscription.
was thinking of something with syncthing, but that has difficulties too (missing tools mostly), especially that you would have to keep the contacts file at a place where nearly any app can read it.
Proton will deliver it any day now that Andy sucked Trump off
fossify contacts lets you import and export your contacts at anytime to and from a simple file
I’ve been using EteSync to sync my contacts and calendars for many years now. It’s end-to-end encrypted and works well.
It’s not too hard to self-host too.
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If you’d like a web UI too, Radicale may be a better fit and easier to set up. I tried it out briefly using docker compose.
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I use the same etesync clients but link them to your own server, called etebase. There are a couple setup examples in the code, but if you’d like, I can share my docker/podman compose stack.
I haven’t set up the web UI to directly access items since I’m fine just using clients to sync and access items, so I haven’t looked into the web UI.
I briefly looked into the web client, and I don’t think it’s worth trying to self-host. There isn’t a docker image and the latest release on github is from 2020. If you need a web UI, I’d recommend using something else.
I use Radicale.
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With podman/docker container, behind caddy reverse proxy.
If you are feeling ambitious and want to go “serverless”, try out DecSync and a compatible android app for contact sync. This represents all your contacts as files on disk in a way that avoids conflicts, and you can use SyncThing to keep your devices in sync 100% peer to peer. Unfortunately on your desktop you’ll probably have to use something like radicale on localhost and the plugin to convert it into CardDAV for your regular email client to understand.
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I wish Flock was still around.
I have a little python script that (among other things) will maintain an address list in a *.csv file on a Windows or Linux PC. It’s a Qt app. The documentation does some handwaving about importing/exporting to Android. See: https://lacusveris.com/Tonto2/Docs/en/index.shtml
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Nextcloud.
I would suggest a baikal server: https://sabre.io/baikal/docker-install/ it’s made from.the ones making radicle and sabre, one of the kost used open source caldav/carddav servers. Yes it can sync calendars too