I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
People who say ‘cant wait for steamOS to come out so that I can move to it’ is also very similar
They never will try Linux, even if what they want comes true
They won’t do it, whether they just fear change or think it’ll break stuff or they can’t bother
And I’m not going to lie, I don’t hate them or debate with them for it, I just hate the bold lies they tell just to get with the crowd
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
Frankly, I probably wouldn’t move either if Windows didn’t permanently break my ethernet and WiFi drivers, and reinstalling windows wasn’t harder than installing Linux, fucking hell
Either way, these people kick up hype for a Linux that will be so much bigger but they never arrive
Maybe they will, due in fucking 2028 or something when they invent a really easy way to use built in Linux tools to move your files from NTFS to Linux and then when you launch steam you have a perfect library of Linux compatible games that are as good or better than windows
And don’t lie, even now with 80% compatibility it feels more like 60%, whether because it depends on the system one runs or because the performance drops just make it not worth it…
At least don’t lie that you’ll move to Linux at a goal post that you’ll just move whenever you get close, maybe say that you’ll move to Linux when you finally get a new pc with a new disk or something?
“Fuck you Microsoft, I’m moving to Linux” says the individual that would never move if they haven’t already
I posted this in a comment somewhere on Lemmy about a month before I moved. It took me a while because I have a chronic illness, a disability, and the whole process takes a lot of sitting at my desk which is quite hard on my body.
Not everyone’s circumstances are the same. I get the sentiment you’re trying to share but cut people some slack…
As a Linux user, this post is exhausting.
SteamOS is exciting. Many people had their first proper experience of using Linux with the steamdeck and many of those thoroughly enjoy the experience. I imagine its a great comfort to know that your OS is being supported by the same people who gave you such a great experience in the past.
I’m sure theres a tiny fraction of people who absolutely are just moving the goalpost over and over, but most people just want something that works for them with minimal friction. SteamOS will do that, and it’ll be familiar.
I understand what you’re saying and I guess it’s true that some people are just finding excuses.
But I think you also lack some empathy towards everyone ´s user’s case.
Personnaly, switching fully to Linux was pretty easy as 99% of my gaming is being done on Playstation.
On my playstation 5 I can know for sure that I can play every game I fancy.
Why am I gaming on consoles? Mostly because it involves no tinkering.
So, despite having gotten rid of Windows a while ago, I would easily give up if I had to tinker to get a game running.
I know that gaming on Linux as never been so easy, but gaming on PC (windows or linux) looks already too difficult for some people with all the requirements.
I might jump to a Linux gaming rig in the future, but I can also understand why some people are choosing an easy path.
Yeah, I also don’t like such general laziness. It’s also not just limited to switching to Linux, it’s kind of the same with switching to anything that’s better but slightly(!) more inconvenient than what you’re used to. Well, you can’t make or be part of some progress unless you’re willing to sometimes get off your comfy couch and do something you’ve never done before. Like switching to Linux. Like stopping eating meat. Like stopping supporting certain evil companies. Like going to vote for a non-retarded option. Like voting with your wallet for the products you use/buy and also NOT use/buy. If everyone would do it, the world would be a different (better) place. But still too few are doing it. Because it’s slightly less convenient. And that would be so damn hard to change. Oh man would that be hard. Not.
Switching from Windows to Linux was a refreshing experience. I’ve never encountered any problems running Windows games on Linux.
The only thing I miss is ShareX.
Check out flameshot, not quite the same but still very good.
If you are on KDE, Spectacle is top and can do everything even recording.
Its fear of the unknown. These people know logically the flaws in windows but are afraid to experiment because they think Linux is hard or too much effort. It’s similar to (although not in the same severity of) the justification that abuse victims use to justify why they stay with an abuser. Feel bad for these folks and try to educate.
I can understand if the game they play is online and it has an anti-cheat that makes it uncompatible with Linux. (Mainly game devs not allowing Linux to work). Otherwise, my experince with gaming on Linux has been pretty good
If the game doesn’t run on Linux, there’s a good chance it’s using a rootkit and should not be installed on windows either.
If push comes to shove you can still try to run it using virtualization
The game Smalland crashes Linux so hard, and I am tired of trying every possible launch option command and suggestion to get it running. I don’t know if it uses a root kit but it does something that causes the whole desktop to freeze.
Smalland
On protondb it has Platinum status https://www.protondb.com/app/768200/. It should work atleast with steam and proton. If I’m not mistaken.
I thought so too, which is why I got it, but I have tried every suggestion in the protondb site and the steam forums and only got it to load the game one time before crashing the whole system, and this is running fedora 41, it freezes everything as soon as it loads. I’m sure I could check logs and prob try it again currently as I see proton-ge was recently updated, but I just moved on to a better game.
I know absolutely nothing about this game, and this comment might even come off as patronizing because of course you tried this… But if this is a game that has a Linux runtime, then Steam is going to default to that. In my experience, running the Windows version through Proton often works better… So I would double check that you’re using proton in the “compatibility” page in the per-game settings.
Also, if you haven’t yet, I’d try Proton-GE as that will sometimes work while regular Proton doesn’t.
Probably just a waste of time, but just in case you hadn’t tried yet…
I don’t feel that this is patronizing as I would be suggesting the same to someone who said they were having issues. I have tried the latest proton, the hot fix, the glorious egg roll version and several beta versions, and it’s that one game that crashes Linux.
Then I’m sorry about your experience. Maybe it has something to do with the versions of programs/libraries specifically on Fedor’s distribution. If I have the opportunity, I could try to run this game, but I have Arch linux.
Hey thanks for your concern, I have been thinking of other distros but so far everything has been running fine on Fedora, if it comes about that a game I really enjoy becomes unplayable then I will start checking out Arch.
And/or that it’s coded badly. So I double don’t want it.
This made me never want to try Linux.
Im Sure you think this is some sort of a ‘gotcha’ statement but I don’t really care, I’m more annoyed at people who wouldn’t even try but say that they will
Yeah, it’s a piss baby attitude. Why do you care if they don’t?
Because they act like they do care
Or maybe they just say they will try it to get you to stop badgering them about Linux
I always find it puzzling when adults act like “You told me to do a thing so now I don’t want to do it” or “You said a thing that’s true, but in a way that made me feel bad so I refuse to accept it”. What’s going on in there?
Related question, do you think in words or feelings? Some people have a whole inner monologue, and some people do not. Some people think in pictures, or just wordless impulses.
It’s less of a knee jerk reaction of insolence against some perceived authority to rebel against, and more that I found the demeanor and entitlement of the post to be so utterly repugnant that I was put off. “You said you’d use Linux and didn’t how dare you”. It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
As for your related question, the subtext is that you are accusing me of being an unthinking person who reacts only out of emotion, and I don’t particularly care for that, nor do I have any reason to tell you my internal mental processes, so I decline answering it.
You did come off as someone who reacts only on emotion, since that’s all that was visible in your previous post.
Being put off by the delivery of information is not typically a good reason to dismiss it. If someone says to you “3 is a prime number you donkey” you’re hopefully not going to reject that because they were rude. I mean, we all do that to some extent, but it’s a pretty sloppy shortcut.
Since we’re talking about how people come off, you come off as one of those people who like to think they are logical and rational but are very dismissive of emotions (of others) and come off as condescending, because you are. You’re also probably pedantic.
So, to appeal to your rational side, just because a decision is based off of emotion doesn’t inherently invalidate it. If someone said “3 isn’t a prime number you donkey” and you got mad and argued that it was, you’re still correct even if the way you got to that conclusion wasn’t rational.
It’s probably a variation of ad homonym but I’m not going to bother to look up the specifics.
I think people over value emotions, but I realize I’m part of people too and it happens to me. Emotions are a fast heuristic but they’re not very inaccurate. They’re good for when speed is important, or when more information isn’t available. Neither is true on an async post about Linux. But yes, I can be dismissive of emotions but it’s something I’m working on.
I’ve seen too many people make strange, unhelpful, decisions because like “someone told me to do something and now I won’t” or “that guy was rude so I’m not going to listen”. That’s what your post felt like to me. (Note the emotional dimension there, heh)
Like, imagine a friend who always forgets their plans, is late, and double books themselves. You probably can’t just be like “use a calendar, dude”. You probably have to gently massage them and incept the idea. If you just tell them, they’ll feel bad, reject the idea, and continue having problems. (In real life, some months later the friend did come around to using a calendar, but only after uselessly wrestling with feeling bad)
It’s like a toddler throwing a tantrum over people whom may not exist.
Sure… But your reaction was also childish and irrational.
A little bit of the pot calling the kettle black…
It’s a little calculated, but probably wouldn’t get picked up on by people.
Who cares tbh
The thing is that the privacy, speed, usability and configurability are so much better, it’s only you that’s missing out by making a statement like that. I’m sure it makes no difference to OP.
I switched in April and I cannot believe I was missing out on this for so long.
Nah I’m pretty sure OP is seething and they’re living in their head rent free.
They wouldn’t have typed an entire wall of salty, griping borderline man baby text if these users didn’t bother them. They clearly do.
That’s true.
Fair enough, and who knows, maybe I will try it, I like open source and everything. It’s just op’s attitude was unappealing to say the least.
I, too, make decisions based on what a random internet stranger’s attitude towards a thing is.
Yeah, I agree that OP’s attitude is unappealing. But it’s not like OP is an official spokesperson or ambassador for Linux or anything like that. It’s just a person giving their opinion. And in any large group of people there’s always going to be some that you don’t agree with. (and often they are the loudest most visible ones…)
And my comment was more to comment on the attitude rather than Linux itself.
Linux should have been a developer’s platform. Sadly it’s incredibly commercial now. Won’t be long before it becomes like Windows for the gAmErS.
That list keeps getting smaller
I feel the someway about people who say “I’m moving to Linux after W10 support ends”.
I think it takes one of two things for people to move.
- Linux has to have several features that are unavailable on Windows that makes it worth swapping.
- Windows has to do something so egregious that they no longer consider it viable.
In my case, I swapped back 3 years ago when ads appeared in explorer for a preview version. In combination with the work the community had done for Valve to consider the steam deck worth selling with Linux, I was confident enough that I could have a good enough experience with Linux.
That’s a perfectly legitimate approach. Switching your OS is always a hassle. I can understand that people like to stick with what works for them.
I think a big reason is, people always think it’s an all or nothing migration. Personally I still have a windows install on my system from when I migrated. Sure I can count on one hand the number of times ive had to actually use it, nor have I had to at all in the past few months, but it’s there in case I needed it.
I think people would be much more apt to do that, if they could realize that you can “try it” and if it doesn’t work then switch back again without much difficulty. Which most user friendly installs support dual booting, and the worse case scenario from it is that Windows decides to nuke the bootloader (which doesn’t happen as much anymore due to it changing to UEFI boot) and then at the end of the day, they still have the windows OS to fall on, and the linux OS still exists, it just doesn’t know its there which is a simple fix with just a google search and a boot repair disk (available on the same install medium that the original install was done with)
Linux actually has stuff that makes it worth switching too, but it’s ones that would require reinstalls to notice and that’s quite infrequent
On windows people dread reinstalls, on Linux it could quite literally happen every time you boot and you notice nothing changes
But these can’t easily be advertised and can’t be felt easily either
Flat out installing at all is the barrier the only thing that is going to move the needle is hardware that has Linux preinstalled and is in the news at the hot new thing to have. The steam deck is doing that and the only other way is preinstalled at the local best buy. You can make Linux the perfect OS that will do your taxes and the laundry and still they will use the worse option becase it was preinstalled. The avg person buys a computer runs it till it gets slow then just buys another one and repeats the process. The avg person just thinks they get used up and dull like razer blades.
I think the only thing that will really push adoption is if more systems ship with Linux preinstalled and those laptops are advertised primarily with linux. People aren’t going to go buy a usb drive, figure out how to download an image and how to download and install a flasher and how to use that flashing tool, not when google and apple actively hamstring computer literacy in schools. They probably won’t even click the “budget penguin thing” unless they already know what it is and have been sold the story of linux on that specific laptop.
Honestly it’s like people saying they are going to eat better after the new year. Most don’t and the people that are most of the time just do it right then not waiting for some event to start.
IDK, that could be different. I bought some surfaces ~2 years ago that apparently aren’t capable of upgrading to 11. They’re perfectly usable, so I’ll have to put Linux on them. I think anyone that’s capable will find that they have to do that, or throw out perfectly good hardware to buy the next shiny thing.
The only problem is I did switch my laptop to Ubuntu back in the day to avoid W7. Or maybe to was 10? All I did was stream video, like Netflix, on it. Turns out, Netflix wouldn’t run because they locked it down to specific OSes. WINE could run it, with a horrible stutter. So I had to dual boot, then I switched to a VM of Windows in Linux, which ended up just being another step to get to stream a movie. Coupled with hours of driver problems to solve, it just wasn’t worth the hassle.
Now, it’s a matter of “can I stream?” Because otherwise, they’re e-waste. I really hope they can, because while I’ll have to keep my gaming PC on w11, my htpc and tablets I will gladly switch.
I can’t imagine I’m alone. If people can get their programs out of the walled garden of Microsoft, I think they will. Not so much new features, but that they can just do what they always do. We’re creatures of habit. We probably won’t see adoption in high numbers, but more than before.
Also, it’s entirely possible I’ll have to eat these words if streaming still doesn’t work right.
Netflix works flawlessly on Fedora. No streaming problem except with Nba basketball.
The problem with that mentality is that you can easily run an OS without support for a very long time and win 10 LTSC support ends in like 2032.
anyone thinking of switching should just dual boot with separate drives and linux as default boot. I still have my windows drive but it’s been a few months since I’ve needed to boot into it at this point and honestly don’t think there’s any reason left.
I hate when people say that they’ll only move when it has 100% support
Why do you give a shit what os others use?
There’s precisely one reason I care, to increase compatibility with linux.
Once anticheat works perfectly on linux, I’ll completely stop caring what other people do. Everything else will come with time.
Frankly I started to hold Linux like it was a religion, but beyond that admission it’s not that I care about them but them constantly saying shit like so which they know they don’t actually believe in or will do
Imagine advocating for a protest just for you to not even show up
I’ve been playing with linux since the mid 90s. I have it on majority of my devices, but my main is still running windows 10. Exactly because it doesn’t run everything I need 100%, nor do I enjoy spending hours trying to get things to work anymore.
I mean, I think protests are important but I have to work to stay out of the homeless shelter
Because of bandwagon effect. The more people use linux, then even more will. And itll get more support from software and hardware developers. And the world will be more free, safe, and not controlled by a big corp.
Well said
Pointless discussion.
I think you put too much weight on everything, including your opinion. I am not trying to be insulting, just realistic.
I can equally say that I hate how so many people say, “just switch to Linux, its easy and does everything.” Neither of those is the case because it doesn’t factor in the learning curve nor does Linux do everything.
So if you want more Linux users, focus more on being helpful. Ask what their specific concerns are, or what apps they must have vs would be nice to have. Point people to distros that would fit their use case (it’s mind boggling as a non Linux user to just look up what distro to get). Then point them towards how to find answers to their questions and troubleshooting steps.
Nuture the seeds you plant and they will grow. Yelling at them that they aren’t growing isn’t going to help.
But immediately dismissing people’s problems is the Linux way. Linux is perfect, I had no issues with it, so if you have any issues you’re simply wrong!
