Who GAF. If Americans didn’t want a Trump dictatorship, the 10 million who voted for Biden in 2020 and didn’t bother to vote in 2024 should have fucking shown up and voted for Harris - in spite of blaming her for Gaza, or not liking that she used to be a prosecutor and therefore theoretically MUST have sent innocent black guys to prison, or being sick of no good choices, or whatever their half-assed reason was for doing nothing. At this point Biden can have Seal Team Six take out Santa Claus for all I care.
Kamala had every chance to appeal to those voters, define herself as a candidate, and provide answers for our economy, which at the end of the day is the one thing that really matters to voters. Instead, she pretended everything was fine, adopted narratives from the right and allowed them to posture like they have all the solutions, so she could look like an incompetent and feckless alternative to Republicans for people that were never going to vote for a Democrat anyways.
As a result, she very predictably failed to mobilize her own base. That is not the fault of the american public, and all of you scratched liberal vote shaming “democracy protectors” were never going outflank such an abysmal national campaign.
The Democrats are okay with bleeding voters and losing elections if the alternative is to challenge the power of capital, and the time has come to reckon with the fact that they are nothing but another obstacle in the fight for the people of this country.
Cheers to that!
I think we need to be done being talked down to by liberals who at the end of the day don’t actually care or feel a need to act.
Yeah. This is the pardon that is going to break the country, not the fact that individual’s who received a pardon from Trump’s first term and now being nominated to his cabinet.
Neither of those things are going to break the country. It’s a matter of priorities. Dems sell themselves as the adults in the room who are going to fight against fascism. And this is what Biden is doing instead.
There was a great episode of the daily show with Jon recently after the election. Basically his point was the democrats keep doing things because of “norms” or “tradition” while the republicans have completely thrown both out the window to win. It’s time for the democrats to start doing the same. Taking the political high ground for “norms” and “traditions” is causing their constituents to suffer. It’s clear that the norms politicians have followed for the past 250 years are not rule, law or enforceable. The dems need to realize what they are fighting against and step up to the battlefield in which they find themselves, then after regaining power they need to code these previous norms into law with actual consequences for ignoring them.
Here is the clip: (it’s about 1//2 through, but the whole thing is worth watching)
It’s time for the democrats to start doing the same. Taking the political high ground for “norms” and “traditions” is causing their constituents to suffer.
My brother in christ that is what this meme is saying. When constituents are crying out for help, the Dems tell us “Biden must not stoop to fascism”. I remember liberal lemmyposters using that very argument quite recently. Biden finally decides to abuse his executive power after years of telling us “The D’s are better than that” and it’s for personal gain. THAT’S THE JOKE
Fuck me running… here you be defending that choice. Why?
Why?? It’s abundantly clear he will never use it for you or me.
Democrats won’t abandon norms and traditions, because they play a good cop to Republicans’ bad cop. They are all in one big club and you aren’t in it.
great episode of the daily show with Jon
This tells me everything i assumed about your politics from your first comment is actually 100% fact
What part of this post is about mothafuckin Trump homie?
Stop enabling lawlessness cuz it’s from your colored team.
For civilians, posting revenge porn like mtg did during congressional hearings would be highly illegal and any judge would take that into consideration. Judges are a lot more lenient than people think and he broke the law, but he is the only one who ever had Congress use revenge porn on…
It is also crazy they spent millions investigating Hunter Biden because they found nothing on Biden himself
If MTG didn’t fiddle herself over Hunter every night and post his dick pics everywhere, sure, Biden shouldnt have done it
But, they did.
The harsh reality is, that Biden should be able to sue for damages, but he can’t do that
Tbh, anyone getting actually mad at Biden over Hunter getting pardoned is kind of funny. Like, there’s way way better reasons to have grown to dislike Joe. Oh no, the president pardoned his son for form filing crimes.
Who cares?
He’s Mr. Genocide. This is actually one of the few actually human things he’s done.
I’m not mad at Joe, I’m mad at the libs who are defending the behavior. The dude drove recklessly while on crack, if anyone else did that they would be a slave in a US supermax for the rest of their life.
When in the fucking history of the USA has this shithole fought against fascism?
WW2, but it was a side objective, kind of a bonus
You really need to study WW2 better. Really
Do tell.
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Operation Paperclip (and any other shit from OSS), Servia, Laos, NATO, Chinese Revolution, you can choose. If youd like a suggestion on where to start, theres a pretty good channel on yt called Eyes Wide Open, great resource with many checkable sources of information
USA didn’t fight against fascism when it fought against Nazi Germany and literally fascist Italy because Laos and NATO
Lmao wat
Fighting nazis is not the same as fighting nazism. But you are clearly unable to tell the difference
Yeah it’s not like fascism was the literal state ideology of fascist Italy or anything lmao. Or Nazism of Nazi-Germany. Lol.
Oh we’re in agreement, but what I meant is that, as much as it pained them, they happened to have fought other fascists also, but it wasn’t the reason they fought, obviously.
US continued to do business with the nazis well into the war, IBM is famously responsible for facilitating the holocaust. And of course, once the war ended the US promptly started internationalizing fascism as bulwark against communism https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/
I’m sorry but the fact that people are so outraged with Biden for doing this is exactly why Kamala lost.
Trump and the Democrats are held to completely different standards. Trump is willing to fight dirty, and that’s why he won. It sucks to hear but it’s true.
Democrats are also willing to fight dirty to win at all cost. They just did
You are confused what winning means for them. It is not forgiving student loan or raising minimum wage.
You’re absolutely right that they dont fight dirty enough. Hiwever, I’d say that Democrats lost largely because Kamala was too cowardly to distance herself from biden and his awful policies. She lost because she chose to court moderate Republicans (who gave her the finger and voted for the fascist. Big surprise!).
Biden pardoning his loser son does nothing for the most marginalized folks who will have to deal with Trump’s fascist regime in the coming year. It’s not a good look that the only time Biden “fights dirty” is to serve his own interests.
I love it how the liberals think “Well Trump did it too!” is some kind of own. America is so comically corrupt it is hard to take their government and the people who support it seriously
Lmao there are loads of those comments in this thread. I need to start blocking libs because they say so much fascist apologia
If everyone who comments here emailed Joe Biden with suggestions as to how he could use his newly-expanded powers to help deserving people in America (or influenced by America) it would probably not make a difference, but there’s a non-zero possibility he’d actually do some of it.
Yo, we’re in Trump land now, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and doing adapting to the change. Trump already pardoned Jared Kushner’s criminal dad, so why not pardon your own son now? The game is changed and if you’re still holding on to ethical ideals you’re a fool. At the very least Biden is making sure they can’t chase his son as part of a witch hunt next year.
People voted for Trump or failed to turn out for Kamila, either way everyone now needs to get used to the new norm.
All the trolls that were “liberals = genocide” or “eggs are $99” or “cant afford gas” while completely ignoring normal egg prices, seriously low gas prices, and trump’s plan to let the Israelis do whatever they want have switched to “Biden bad because pardon!” Again, completley ignoring trump’s pardons of criminals in his administration, family by marriage, and the fact we got a law absolving the president of any “crime” committed while president if the (captured) SCOTUS says it’s fine. But no…who cares about trump. Biden bad!!
Troll? Listen you absolute piece of shit. I sat with my wife while she was talking her friend in Beyrut. The friend had her family bombed. Your country did that. If I ever have a choice between genocide in america and fighting against fascism here, well, I hope you have a place to hide.
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
Very well said. I’m NOT looking forward to watching anybody eat crow if all that shit happens. We will have far more pressing concerns than gloating over a bunch of petulant dickweeds who didn’t show up. They didn’t, and that’s that. The reality is settling in that America may be about to end - like every civilization does. It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
It was fun while it lasted - Cheers!
No, it wasn’t, it was and still is a fucking genocidal shitshow right from the start to the end which can’t come soon enough.
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine
Wow, the liberals are straight up admitting their monstrous racism now?
the US leaves NATO
This would be good for the Global South, which is why Trump won’t do it
and western democracy collapses.
The West hasn’t had a workable implementation of Democracy to begin with, though if you finally recognize that are you going to sit out or do something about it?
It’s not an issue that actually affects them so they only pretend to care when it’s easy, then swap back the moment there is no backlash or they get what they want enough to not have to pretend again. That’s like the whole shtick of a liberal.
But we got to love them cause they are the superior liberal.
Yep. Rainbow Imperialism and all that. Weaponizing treating marginalized groups slightly less bad and just watching with glee when the slightly worse group does what it does.
Not like either side is helping us. Kamala, Democrats, and Joe biden ran the last 4 years quietly and campaigned on no change. They lost the election by not convincing 250k voters in 4 states to not vote for them.
Joe biden pardoning his son is his legacy. Joe said he would be a one term president then tried to run for a second term ruining a primary. Democrats chose Kamala harris and she accepted. This country was founded on old people letting go of power and stepping aside and down. If George Washington wanted to he could have been a king. The old dems are grasping at power and control rather than trusting a populist candidate.
Joe Biden could be abusing his power and fighting for change from the bully pulpit to affect Americans and make an outcry but instead went back in his word twice and pardoned his son abusing his power for selfish gain.
Kamala instead of campaigning to fight hatred and cause change went with joy and changing nothing . She even capituatated to right wing talking points moving Democrats to the right. Even though policy wise leftist policy is good and ppopular policy.
Lastly the democrats ran a Hilary Clinton style campaign being a nerd with stats and defended institutions. Obama won because change Biden won because change.
Nah you just don’t get it cause everyone else is to much of a ducking stupid imbred moron who didn’t get to go to the good school that I went to to realize how I am right about everything in their life and that dumb people don’t have a right to complain because they are stupid anyways and it proves they can’t be trusted until I educate them better which I don’t want to do because I am living a better life than them in every way.
So like it’s not the Dems fault and people should just accept what’s best for them and be ready to be used as a scapegoat whenever we throw a tantrum for things not going out way and just leave without doing anything cause they don’t even deserve kindness anymore even though we have totally been kind the whole time!
/Hard S
But tell them they are talking to people all wrong and suddenly we are all Russian bots, or trolls, or secretly Trumpers cause true friends (good followers) should just accept them as already perfect like they see themselves.
Ugh.
But tell them they are talking to people all wrong and suddenly we are all Russian bots, or trolls, or secretly Trumpers
This bit is generally in response to the fact that the only time this rhetoric is heard is right before an election. Where was this talk and push for change the last four years? Where were the mass protests when Biden was in office and might have listened to a shutdown? Or at any point when the world wasn’t staring down the barrel of a new hitler?
You can want positive change from your own political party while also acknowledging that they are still standing on higher ground than an actual Nazi. Time and a place for each.
Not like the democrats immediately accepted Republicans and framed leftists as the problem with their campaign while moving to the right
Not a USAmerican, so not exactly talking about the politics, but some issues.
The irony of blasting Biden for going against his word in his son’s best interest while Trump is about to become president is the most laughable hypocrisy I’ve ever seen
Why not?
It’s not like Trump is supported.It just shows them that Biden is not very different from Trump. They have been saying that and pushing for 3rd parties or other President nominees.
Biden chooses to do this rather than set guardrails or do something to ensure that Trump is not given free reign.This validates their view.
And since Trump becoming president is a grave thing, does it mean that the Democrats are bad, because they have not done enough to stop it?
I look forward to watching y’all eat crow as Israel wipes out Palestine, the US leaves NATO, and western democracy collapses.
Palestine is being wiped out even under Biden.
US leaving Nato would be big, but we can never know how the effects would be like, right?Do you think Hunter Biden is safe in the US justice system with Trump in charge?
Oh no a rich brat that actually didn’t pay his taxes and lead a life of luxury and drug use would be attacked for all those things and because his daddy held a welcome in party for fascists whatever will those of us unable to afford shelter and food so?!?!
Sure, your feelings are valid. Just explaining his actions, not justifying them.
Do you think Hunter would be protected from his own wrongdoings if his dad wasn’t president?
Yeah it is weird how self righteous liberals react towards being shown over and over that their group is to blame for this shitshow.
But I doubt the US will ever leave NATO without a coup happening in the US. The US would basically lose more than half their geopolitical influence.
No no no, you don’t understand. We’re not responsible for the consequences of our voting decisions if Kamala ran a weak campaign.
Yo, Fascism already won my dudes. Biden is just seeing the writing on the wall and adapting to the change.
So i infer from your attitude you too will be adapting to this change? My dude?
This had better be bait. Fuckin libs mannnnn quit breathing my air
Nah. Liberals gonna do whatever is easy for them and that’s gonna mean being a fascist and then chastising everyone else for making them be like this while they whip harder to see if it makes them feel more alive inside.
I’m really starting to get how germans musta felt and how society just…slipped down. Like I’m looking right at it and my lil eyes are open as they’ve ever been but I’m still really having a hard time internalizing that dude is fr. Fuck me
Yeah, so many of them just complainung currently that they now have to treat everyone worse because “they just have to now that everyone proved they deserve to be treated worse” as if they weren’t just looking for an excuse to not care anymore.
Yeah it’s just easier to decide that this is how the world is and join in on making it worse from a liberals perspective and do it all just to make their life a little less responsible.
So many of them happy to join in punching down cause they finally get to do it toi and it’s easier than continuing to care and treat people well. All they wanted was an excuse.
At this point, of cours ehe should
People will rightfully call him out and then forget about it by tomorrow when trump says something stupid.
Once trump gets in office, no one will ever be able to remember any of this because the shit will be a full never ending flow into a turbine
Looking at Trumps upcomming cabinet I am both in horror and anticipation for what is going to happen. We’ll either see a slow decline of US power, a world war or just nothing great will happen at all.
A slow decline of US power would be a good thing for the world lmao. It’s a funny thing from the US “left” how supremacist they really are.
I remind my panicking liberal friends that the US only became a “Superpower” within the past 100 years.
So many countries have caught up.
Once trump gets in office, no one will ever be able to remember any of this because the shit will be a full never ending flow into a turbine
Yep. There’s literally a massive laundry list of BS trump did in 2016.
Biden honestly can do whatever the hell he wants because it’ll be completely buried in three months.
Not only that, he’s never running again, he has literally nothing to lose, and doing this isn’t going to affect votes/popularity of whoever runs next.
99% of people in his position would do the same.
I’m torn.
It’s bad to pardon family, but at the same time, I’d fully support pardoning a random person who had a no-prison plea deal the judge threw out after the defendant admitted guilt.
Especially when the crime that resulted in a jail time sentence is one that’s almost exclusively used as an add-on for violent offenders. Any person with a medical Marijuana card and a gun or who ate half a gummy at a friend’s house in a state where it’s legal while their gun was locked in a safe at home has committed the same crime.
But it also looks bad for him to pardon his son, and Trump’s sycophants will absolutely cling to this.
They’ll cling to it but now that Hunter is pardoned all they can do is whine, just as Dems will do after Bonespurs pardons himself. But both will be done deals. Hunter Biden’s case will be over - no more wasting congressional time and resources with pointless hearings and investigations.
Yeah this is a man who committed a minor crime that’s rarely prosecuted who was sentenced because his father is President, he was about to have a real bad time because of who his father is if he wasn’t pardoned. I can’t judge Biden for this. He’d never have pardoned him if someone who would treat him on his own merits was the incoming president
Unfortunately Biden is known for packing up the slavery prisons with people who in any just country shouldn’t be there and keeping them there for the profits of corpos. In this light him pardoning his son is even worse than just nepotistic abuse of power.
How it looks is beside the point. If it’s moral then it’s moral, and people who are looking at it need to deal with it. As for what Trump’s sycophants will do, they’re going to do crazy s*** anyway.
When judges ignore plea deals, they are asking for people to strip them of power. That’s what happened here, the judge deserved what they got. If you can’t find justice in the courts, then to hell with the courts.
I agree with you that the sentencing was incredibly unjust and clearly politically motivated. I’m just incredibly frustrated that Biden is not doing anything that’s useful to Americans during his last few months in office.
That’s a pretty bold assertion that Biden is not doing anything useful to Americans.
Ok. What has he done in his lame duck period, or expressed intention to do, that helps Americans? So far I’ve seen him double down on helping Israel commit genocide and I’ve seen him pardon his son. I’m happy to be convinced otherwise but I’m sure not seeing it now.
That’s not abuse, that’s remediation of a political lynching wholly motivated by the butthurt babies in congress
It’s funny that so many actually believed his BS. All so they could convince themselves they were “the good people”. It’s just so ridiculous.
They didn’t punch us directly. They paid people for that. That’s why they are better than everyone. See how they sit above us?
You really start to get all those older writings about the dangers of upper classes cause they really do get apathetic and assume moral superiority just on existence after a while.
There is one party closely associated with judging others and is filled with elitist snobs.
I’m not saying it was right, but Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
I’m not saying he didn’t deserve it, only that it wouldn’t have happened otherwise.
I don’t know that this is worth making a fuss over.
If hunters dad wasn’t the fucking president and he weren’t rich he’d probably have life in prison just for all the crack he smoked
Wasn’t solely because of who his dad was. If his dad was just a regular rich dude with political connections, maybe. If he was one of the thousands of black men currently incarcerated under the law that Biden championed himself, hell no.
Really, he should have just taught his son to do powdered cocaine instead, since that is a rich person drug and thus has a much lower penalty.
Didn’t they look through records to figure out he may have been an addict around the time he bought a gun and that’s what he got charged for?
A law restricting access to gun purchases based on legislation not in the constitution. Thereby … exactly what judges have been trying to rule unconstitutional. So if the law is legitimate… Then states have full right to restrict gun purchases by any of their wants.
It’s all hypocritical shit.
Whomst among us hasn’t been given cushy jobs we aren’t qualified for in corrupt Ukrainian companies by our dad and then done a bunch of blow with prostitutes and tax fraud and illegally owned guns!? Clearly this is a witch hunt.
My big issue with it is basically summed up by this meme. By doing this he’s established that he’s willing to break promises and take advantage of systems that republicans are abusing, but only when it benefits him personally. He could executive order a bunch of different things, and go on a pardon spree, but what he does with his power is just to pardon his son. Unlike the rest of us, a Trump presidency will basically not affect him at all, and the little it would/did has to do with his son and he doesn’t even have to deal with that.
Do I want his son in prison? No, not really. But considering he all but lied about being a 1 term president and refused to step down making a primary impossible, which at least contributed to the dems loss, it’s an extra slap in the face that the only real consequence he had to face is able to be erased by a stroke of his pen, and yet he seems to be doing nothing to protect or help anyone else who has been hurt by his decisions. I don’t think Hunter should suffer because of who his dad is, but his dad is making (and has made) us all suffer and is unwilling to do anything about it.
I’m not making a fuss about it, but if I was, it’d not be about the pardon, it’d be about how his big move as a lame duck with immunity confirmed by the Supreme Court is to get his son out of prison and watch everyone else suffer.
Hunter did get it rough solely because of who his dad was.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
If you lined up all the crack heads in America and ranked them “has it the most rough” to “least rough”, I would challenge you to find 1% who have it better than Hunter.
Exactly. What crackhead is getting off on a gun possession? That’s a slam dunk for a DA to put numbers on the board.
Libs just have their heads up their asses. Legalities around guns + drugs have been the corner stone of state suppression for decades. Libs love screaming about freeing their favorite rapper or how Regan is a hypocrite that passed gun control in CA, but suddenly pretend it’s not typical when their guy’s son catches a case.
Hunter did get it rough
there’s a guy who doesn’t care about who got it rough and his name rhymes with genocidin’
In the end, if people aren’t willing to vote against fascism, you cannot prevent it by establishing new rules (or in this case breaking the old ones).
Yeah a lot of people blaming Biden when we all had a fair shot at voting against fascism. We suck. May as well actually accept that.
Don’t put yourself down at the request of those above you.
Pssh. I mean, I voted. I did my part. Millions others though didn’t.
I don’t why lemmy people find it so hard to not blame the DNC and actually blame the people who either voted for fascism or did nothing to stop it. Maybe because some of them are the very same as the latter.
Cause it’s not productive and doesn’t do anything.
We can blame the people that voted for it and not for it all we want but they are a manifestation of other issues. There is not a specific person you can blame when the numbers hit the millions. It becomes useless musing.
People don’t think like you. Just you. It then becomes on us and those that lead and aim to gather the support of others to figure out why they didn’t reach more.
Sure it does. Same way you shame bad parts of society. Non voters deserve blame and shaming. Ignoring their abdication of civic duty just entrenches their bad behavior by excusing it.
You can’t vote your way out of fascism but you can certainly vote your way into it.
Maybe one of these days the liberals will fucking learn from history.
