ofc china is the best super power in the world!!!
except if you live in africa… or taiwan… or tibet… or mongolia… or hongkong… or you’re a uigur… or you’re queer… or you’re black… or you’re a farmer… or you live in a tofu dreg building… or you like human rights… or free press… or privacy…
should I go on?
you see, china does a lot of bad things that don’t require bombs, which the us doesn’t, but in return they throw bombs, both are just imperialist genocide driving forces, as most states
also china’s not that far away from throwing bombs:
So you guzzled ALL of the burger’s propaganda huh?
Haha no you forgot xinjiang
After a gish gallop of nonsense your only citation is “China does bombs too!” and it’s of their military training in their own territory
taiwan is not china’s own territory
EDIT: also, what nonsense, are you denying the genocide against the uigurs for example?
taiwan is not china’s own territory
Ignoring the historical illiteracy in this assertion, are you claiming that China bombed Taiwan and this is how I’m learning about it and nothing happened?
EDIT: also, what nonsense, are you denying the genocide against the uigurs for example?
Not even your own nazi blood libel propaganda sources are pretending this is a real thing anymore. Give it up.
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Also, we do indeed deny the bullshit “genocide” against the Uyghurs.
Ignoring the historical illiteracy in this assertion
most taiwanese people want a own country, that’s reason enough to justify them getting one
are you claiming that China bombed Taiwan and this is how I’m learning about it and nothing happened?
no, I said china isn’t that far away from bombing other countries, because they tested missiles on taiwanese territory
Not even your own nazi blood libel propaganda sources are pretending this is a real thing anymore. Give it up.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-22278037
so, I speak against genocide, a police state, dropping bombs, pro free speech, and anti imperialist which makes me…
an anarchista “neoliberal nazi”?no, but seriosly, calling other people on the left nazis is surely something, like seriosly go back to
stalinlemmygrad, you imperialist genocidal scum
Are you confirming their source that the meme is false?
Is that what you think “dropping bombs” means in this context??
Ues but thankfully not only two countries exist in the world. Picking between china and the usa is like picking shit with and without corn.
Imagine writing that completely unironically.
Imagine writing that completely unironically.
ok there parrot
Ok there edgelord
lmfao took you half a day to come up with that comeback and then you fucked it up on the first try 😂
Imagine thinking that telling someone they have a life and sleep sometimes is a burn 💀
if you had a life you would’ve just moved on
Sure, feel free to add more examples of countries which drop fewer bombs than the US. Here’s one to get you started: Democratic People’s Republic of Korea.
thank god it isn’t a dichotomy
thank god for your meaningless straw man of a vaguepost
When whataboutism kinda has a point.
This is terrible, and the USA is terrible, and I’m not gonna say that the USA is better than China; but presenting China as spotless just because they’re comparatively better in this one focused area is disingenuous.
It smells like propaganda dressed up as a meme, but it’s still a meme so 🤷 I guess?
Yeah but that’s pretty normal for lemmy.ml
On average? So you just take all bombs dropped by the USA and divide it by the number of days the US has been a thing? Then you compare that to the amount of days China hasn’t dropped a bomb?
This makes no sense…
IDK why you’re being downvoted, you’re totally right. For this to be closer to a fair comparison, we’d need to know the averages for both countries over the same time period.
Let’s make the last 40 years our time window. China has dropped zero bombs in that period, making their average zero bombs dropped per day.
Now for the US, they’ve certainly dropped some bombs in the last 40 years. So that would make their average… Greater than zero bombs dropped per day… Oh…
If we take that back to let’s say 1949 when PRC was founded (to have the most timeframe possible) it would look even worse for USA because China still didn’t dropped much more bombs in that period but for USA it would include Korea, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia - 4 worst and most intensive aerial terror campaigns in history.
You want to know what the stats were calculated from? Because it sure as heck wasn’t “how many bombs has USA ever dropped ever”.
Over 337,000 bombs and missiles dropped from 2001-2021. This equals an average of 46 per day over a recent 20 year period.
https://progressive.org/latest/usa-bombs-drop-benjamin-davies-220112/
The PRC needs to return land it has unjustly conquered.
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Ok let’s see which way this goes.
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From the KMT, from the Japanese, or from the feudal lords that re-established themselves during the Chinese Civil War?
How dare they “unjustly” conquer Chiang Kai-shek’s fascist state.
Would China not drop bombs if they faced no consequences and it benefited them?
Idk, they probably have had the opportunity sometimes, but they don’t have the same military industrial complex as the USA pushing for it at every chance. So the cost benefit analysis is different. Quite often it doesn’t benefit “the USA” as much as a few specific people within, and that mechanic doesn’t exist in the same way for China.
What do you mean that mechanic doesn’t exist in the same way for China? Are you talking like China has achieved a classless utopia situation?
No, the arms manufacturers just don’t have the same level of influence over the government and armed forces that they do in America, and the people in the government who decide whether to drop bombs won’t personally get rich if they buy more bombs.
That isn’t something unique to China btw but basically almost every country except USA and a few others.
Do you think that dynamic wouldn’t exist for any country, including China, that had as much world influence as the US does now?
I mean- yeah, the birdcage model has been supplanted by majority public ownership at this point, the same incentives that create the military industrial complex don’t exist- if you’d like, i would recommend reading “Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism” which can be a handy reference point for the US military complex.
Saying that China doesn’t have a MIC is a non-sequitur. The incentive is power. If acquiring or maintaining power in China requires military expansion, it will happen.
Except imperialism is actually incredibly inefficient in the long term. Western nations become imperialist due to the contradictions created by capitalism.There is a reason why China’s foreign policy is centered around mutual advancement.
Can you be more clear in your question?
My point is that the real hard-to-swallow pill for people like OP is that China is not a magical place where everyone just sings kumbaya all day. China is just like any other country comprised of humans that has existed ever, and would do the same things the US is doing now if they could. The only reason this meme is in any way accurate is that China can’t realistically drop bombs like that, otherwise they would. Tankies like OP will defend imperialism all day long, as long as the imperialists say “Death To America!”. If the US poofed out of existence today, there would be a power vacuum quickly filled by exactly the same sort of people that are dropping those bombs in the meme.
So I guess my question is “What’s the point of pretending that China is any different?”
Your kind of reasoning is called “projection”. You are actually choking on that pill.
That’s just a thing you made up to justify not feeling bad, there is no reason to believe that anyone else would act the same way.
China is not a magical place where everyone just sings kumbaya all day
When you’re seriously engaging with what another person is saying
China is just like any other country comprised of humans that has existed ever, and would do the same things the US is doing now if they could.
Yeah, except they’re different countries, made up of different people, with a different culture, with a pretty much fundamentally different kind of organizational structure governing them. I don’t think “well, they’d probably do it too, if the US were gone” is a super convincing argument in favor of the US dropping bombs on people.
No, China has something called a democracy and Chinese people don’t want to drop bombs on little kids. Let me make that clear, Chinese people don’t want to blow up little kids. It might be hard to wrap your mind around but a majority of people don’t want something to happen, so it doesn’t happen.
The average American also doesn’t like the idea of having children be blown up, but they watch slop TV instead and complain about gas prices and having to wear a mask once in their life. When kids do get blown up the TV tells the american settler that they were evil kids, so they go back to complaining about tv shows and self-flattery.
Sorry, if you legitimately believe that China doesn’t drop bombs on people because that’s the will of the people then I don’t think there’s any further productive conversation to be had. I admire your ability to believe, though.
Crackkker projecting again
Seems you haven’t seen humanity ever in you life so you can’t imagine it existing
Sad
And those are like $10 mil apiece minimum, but no free lunch for YOUR unworthy poor children. They would rather pay $1000 to kill a foreign child than $1 to feed yours.
The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation.
George Orwell, 1984
The $1000 comes from us and goes into their pocket… The $1 would come out of their pocket and into our kid’s mouth… Although, we’d probably need to buy the food from them too so the $1 would still end up back in their pocket… But the point of the system is to take money out of our pockets and put it in theirs, not to take it out of one of their pockets and put it in their other pocket
Man I’d love to be stupid enough to think China is somehow better and different to the USA. Must be any easier living with so few brain cells. Might even get some disability bonus 🤡
What do you mean, different? Every country is different from each other. If you were clear about what you’re implying here, i.e. “different as in having no negative sides” then it would be obvious that your argument is against an absolute straw man. Nobody made such a claim.
It’s not like China doesn’t have issues but I think you don’t understand or want to think about just how incredibly fucked up the USA is. China is definitely way less bad.
How many countries have they couped? How many civil wars in poor countries are they responsible for? To you in your comfy home this is just academic but these are the worst atrocities in human history, and the USA does them one after the other after the other.
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I love when not beating your child is used as a flex.
Congratulations! You are not THAT kind of asshole.
Sincerely, that kind of asshole
Is that 46 on average also for the past 40 years? Do you have a source for this? Not trying to wreck your post, but I’d like to drop this on some non-leftists one day at the appropriate time, and I want to be confident that the information is reliable.
Skill issue. /troll don’t take the bait
pov when you rather kill foreigners than feed your own (are they still going thru with those anti-homeless public seats? lol.)
Agreeing the USA sucks isn’t hard too swallow.
It is for shit libs (this should be posted on .world)
Been doing it every morning for 42 years
