Lemmy is a worse platform for women than Reddit was EDIT this link is an OLD POST that contains my thesis on the state of lemmy and is not the context of the much more recent comment in the screenshot. sorry for any confusion caused by this juxtaposition, my main goal with having this linked is to expose how nothing has improved

  • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    2 months ago

    IMO the context does absolutely make up for it

    It really doesn’t, since the comment you quoted is basically saying that women making decisions over their own bodies is the cause of misogyny, which is the most generic MRA victim blaming bullshit which doesn’t deserve to be legitimised by being seriously addressed, nor defended by people pretending to have good faith.

    • Darorad@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      The posted comment doesn’t argue against that though, it’s a random correct statement that isn’t relevant to what they were talking about.

      Say someone in the 2008 dem primary was arguing for Clinton saying america was too racist to elect a black man. Responding by arguing that race has nothing to do with how good a job someone can do as president is a bad response because

      1. it doesn’t address the argument that person was making

      2. it doesn’t address the racism in denying someone an attempt because of how you think others will respond to their race.

      What’s the purpose of a sex strike? To push people to accept different politics.

      The comment it’s in reply to is making an argument that it’s a bad strategy, but at no point indicates they don’t think women shouldn’t be free to make the decision. They’re arguing about efficacy.

      Replying to that with a completely different argument does mean people downvoting it for relevance would be justified. There’s a deeper conversation about the type of harmful ideas that argument promotes, but this is a surface level response that doesn’t do that.

          • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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            2 months ago

            Here’s the most crucial part of the moderated comment by Darorad:

            Say someone in the 2008 dem primary was arguing for Clinton saying america was too racist to elect a black man. Responding by arguing that race has nothing to do with how good a job someone can do as president is a bad response because 1) it doesn’t address the argument that person was making 2) it doesn’t address the racism in denying someone an attempt because of how you think others will respond to their race.

    • Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      2 months ago

      Do everyone a favor and consider your position more carefully. Particularly, consider the difference between an individual woman deciding what to do with her body and an entire movement asking for a large number of women to do (or not do) something with their body.

    • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
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      2 months ago

      the comment isn’t saying women can’t make their own decisions… the comment is saying that the guy wants to have sex, and if he can’t then they’re incompatible partners right now… women are allowed to make choices about their bodies, and men are allowed to make choices about activities they’d like to have in their lives

      the reply comment implies that he only thinks about using a woman for sex, which is not what he’s saying at all

      another example would be if 1 person wanted to live in the city and the other wanted to live in a farm: likely a deal-breaker, just like not having sex

      • ShareMySims@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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        2 months ago

        another example would be if 1 person wanted to live in the city and the other wanted to live in a farm: likely a deal-breaker, just like not having sex

        Only if living in the city is the same as bodily autonomy, and living on a farm is rape.

        But hey, this is great, keep telling on yourselves, it makes you easier to block and avoid.

        • Darorad@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          No, it isn’t.

          That analogy would only work if the person who wanted to live on the farm just made the other person come with them. Breaking up and going their own separate ways is not at all analagous to rape.

      • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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        2 months ago

        this is a horrible read. it’s about how men not getting incentive to do the right thing would result in e.g. lawmakers being pressured to repress women. it’s fine if they only 4b those who don’t respect them or abortion

        • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
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          2 months ago

          believe what you want, but as a gay man (i say this so you’re aware that there’s no misogyny involved), i’d never date someone where sex was off the table… i wouldn’t force it on anyone of course, but we fuck or we break up - sex is too important for my mental health to deny myself

            • Pup Biru@aussie.zoneEnglish
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              2 months ago

              that’s not at all the intention of the comment - simply that when i make a comment directly related to my personal sex life, you’re aware that there are no women involved, thus the comment eliminates misogyny from the equation in that specific case. i’m sorry for not being clearer on that. i’ve added an edit to my comment so that it’s more apparent

        • Darorad@lemmy.world
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          2 months ago

          My issue with 4b is we know it doesn’t work.

          What’s the one thing that we know helps people stop being bigoted? Exposure to the people they’re bigoted against. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2705986/

          The 4b movement is like saying “the solution to racism is segregation”

          On an interpersonal level, women absolutely should be wary of every man they come across, but that doesn’t mean a more extreme version of that works as a cultural movement.