Things in poor neighborhoods are done differently than in middle- and upper- class neighborhoods. People that grow up in poor neighborhoods develop behaviors, customs, and beliefs that are different from other neighborhoods because they are part of surviving in the struggle. When they move on up, some of those behaviors, customs, and beliefs are no longer necessary and can even be harmful (e.g. strong reactions to perceived attacks). Others may actually provide an advantage (e.g. living through power outages). Regardless, these changes can cause a sense of estrangement from their childhood and original culture, leading to some resistance. Given all that:
What did you change and what did you keep?
I grew up lower middle class in Rural Alberta Canada in the 70’s. I moved to a mid sized city in the beginnings on my teens. and one major thing that stuck out to me was the amount of swearing the city kids did. I heard more curse words in one recess than I pretty much did in my entire lifetime up to that point.
Not to say that we didn’t know swear words it was just REALLY frowned upon by every one. Adults didn’t swear in front of kids, and men/boys didn’t swear in front of girls.
I’ve CPTSD
“the sticks” doesn’t mean poor, it just means in the countryside (at least in the UK). On the estate(s) would be correct for us.
I didn’t grow up particularly poor, but became poor upon moving out of the family home. This led to making do with very limited ingredients, finding bargains, and that has stuck with me ever since. I’ve saved a lot of money down the years, can live very frugally for a period of time when I really need to, and as such became a homeowner because I knew how to knuckle down and avoid unnecessary expenditure, perhaps to the detriment of my health at times.
In the US, “estates” sounds vaguely wealthy. For example, a fancy garage sale is an Estate Sale (which kinda implies a rich person died and this is their estate being liquidated.)
It’s short for council estate. We also have the same connotation if you own an estate, a large parcel of land with a big house or whatever.
I think your “council estate” is our “section 08,” govt provided shitty housing projects?
Funnily enough the council-built housing in the UK is generally of a very high structural and architectural quality. I am currently sitting in a 100+ years old council property that is still eminently habitable. Only four houses of the 125 that were built here have been demolished. All others are currently inhabited. It all began at the end of WW1:
Well shit, nevermind!
I know. It’s weird just how good the UK’s social housing was. There was a great belief that the housing estates you built had a direct effect on the people who lived there. Compare that with some of the US’s efforts - that demolished place in St. Louis, O’block in Chicago etc. Different worlds. Eventually the UK government switched to inner city high rises (“streets in the sky”) and social results were… mixed, to say the least. Throw a lot of poor, disenfranchised, non native, non related people in a closed building and, shock horror, negative results were had. Colour me surprised.
It’s not implied, that’s what an estate sale is, regardless of how fancy it is.
The implied part is ‘rich’. It isn’t a guarantee.
Americans tend to equate “county” with “poor” because they don’t have first-hand experience with country people. They might also be confused because ostentatious displays of wealth are considered tacky here in the South.
lol I know you’re full of it specifically because I come from a backwards place and escaped it
I’m from the rural South and there are plenty of ostentatious displays of wealth. Particularly surrounding how your home looks - decorating for every single holiday for no reason comes to mind.
Plenty of rural Americans are super poor. It generally takes more money to live in the city so that should make some sense. I grew up rural poor - my family were partially subsistence farmers, cutting our grocery bill.
To answer the question from OP - I’m not sure I count as properly middle class but I’m definitely more stable than I was growing up, so I’ll say my biggest changes are being more conscious of what I look and smell like. When you’re poor, everything smells like whatever’s on sale. I have kept my tendency to overbuy during sales for anything is shelf stable for long periods of time even if I already have plenty.
When you’re poor, everything smells like whatever’s on sale.
That’s right!! For me, it was like whatever I had that was nice. If someone got me a nice shirt, I would protect that shirt and only wear it to special events that I knew would not place the shirt in any danger (physical activity, stains from cooking or painting, etc.). I kind of still do that and have a few shirts that are ~20 years old, a backpack that is 23 years old, and a multi-tool that’s about 21 yrs old. Never though that was associated with growing up poor, but it makes sense now.
As someone with first hand experience growing up in the country, you could not be more wrong.
“the sticks” doesn’t mean poor
Is there an informal term that would describe poor rural neighborhoods similar to ghetto/barrio?
My friend grew up in the type of neighborhood you’re describing and he calls them “backwoods communities”
I’ve never heard this term. We always called them the estate, because usually they were council estates.
Local terms will surely vary, he’s from the US east coast
Then why are you replying in this thread about UK terms? Lol
…where did OP ask for UK-specific terms? I didn’t say “the estates” was wrong, I answered OP’s question in a comment chain that happened to start with a UK terms for poor neighborhoods…
The OP asked, in this thread, for the UK term that works. Your reply to that question led them to add another US term thinking that you were providing a UK term.
thx! updated the title 🌳🌳🌳
Trailer park :/
how to avoid appearing like you just escaped the lower classes:
- stop keeping everything, just in case you might need it
- stop buying random crap without seeing how it can justify your space/money/time.
- stop eating garbage. eat consciously, expect you will need to feel great instead of stopping hunger.
- stop keeping in touch with toxic people just because you might need them someday.
- stop seeking attention with the way you dress and talk, etc. don’t appear needy. aim for tasteful.
- preventative maintenance. fix things that are wonky before they fail at a bad time.
- appear competent and secure, give eye contact, listen.
Why’d you have to call me out like that with those first three?
(Seriously, not keeping stuff is so difficult. It’s a strain on my marriage and I wish I could just flip a switch and not feel that instinct)
- stop keeping in touch with toxic people just because you might need them someday.
This one is big.
Had a talk with a guy recently. He’s always putting other people ahead of him to give his life meaning. And yet it also stresses him out, doesn’t get anything in return, and is only doing it because of a hypothetical “they’d do the same”. But they don’t?
Yooooo, I needed to hear a few of those. Thank you very much!
Ditto, this post was quite helpful!
glad to hear it… try them for a month and report back what you experienced
you got it, dude 👶👍
Casual racism that only intensified the inequity. Realize it’s the billionaire class that’s benefiting from the in fighting.
I stopped expecting to need to fight every time I have to pass someone on the street, or every time someone approaches me.
I used to keep EVERYTHING under lock and key, or under my direct supervision. I have been robbed multiple times. Turns out, not everyone is a shitty person. TBH I kinda still do it. Not to the extremes I used to though.
There are a lot of shitty people in all socio-economic classes. They’re just not desperate once you get out of poverty, so they’re not going to steal everything that isn’t nailed down.
You’re not wrong. I just didn’t really expand on my meaning. Like I don’t disparage the homeless person (I’m assuming based on what was stolen) who stole a bike tire. Like I’m sure they need it more than me at that point, and I can afford it more than they can. But the bitch neighbors who stole medicine and food multiple times… Yeah I hope hell is real just for them.
I still to this day when leaving the house or a building. I need to look both ways before I exit. When I was younger and living in the ghetto I almost got shot because there was a shoot out down the street.
I stopped pulling over to pull useful items out of other people’s trash.
I still look, but I haven’t yanked a chair or TV in years.
When I was a kid, my city had an annual trash week where people would put their large items on the curb for pickup. We used to drive around looking for TVs and anything else that could be valuable, and then pawn them or sell them to other people.
yoooo, my first adult bed, furniture set, and laptop were from the trash. rich kids in college towns throw out the best stuff. it was a Compaq, and the only problem was overheating because it needed that heat sink lube.
heatsink lube
thermal paste? lol
lol yeah, the grey sticky stuff 😋
Haha. That’s hilarious.
hard for me, neighbor likes to throw away computer cases when he upgrades, got a nice mechanical steel series keyboard too. my son and I cleaned it up, filled it with parts and now he has a decent computer. saved me $300 retail and he learned how to test things to make sure they worked, like io cables and whatnot. win win.
Damn, I can’t imagine throwing that stuff away instead of donating it. If it’s just a common item I’ll drop it off at the thrift store, and if it’s something really good I’ll put it on Craigslist for free. If it’s really good then I’ll sell it.
i can only imagine he thought it was broken, he left
this case - Corsair 4000D - https://amzn.to/40uje6R
this keyboard - Steelseries Apex Pro - https://amzn.to/48zfXVP
and a week later, this case - Thermaltake Core V2 - https://amzn.to/48BL96M
the thermaltake case i had just bought one a month prior to setup as a backup Truenas server, they Corsair case and keyboard went to my kid’s rig after we cleaned it. haven’t found any major issues, every once in awhile the lights ont he keyboard go wonky, so we just unplug it, wait 10 seconds, and plug it back in. all keys work perfectly find.
Ha! Thay first case is the exact case I have for my main gaming desktop. I almost bought the second case last month when building a HTPC and the only reason I didn’t is because it was a couple inches too big to fit into my home entertainment center. That’s a damned nice keyboard too!
was a pretty popular case, went to my nephews place and he got the same one when he built his computer. it’s HUGE.
Aww, damn… I’m busted!
I forgot I have fished a few computers & cable boxes out of the trash… Got a 1TB HD out of a trashed cable box, planning on getting home assistant & jellyfin running soon, so a little extra storage always helps!
I predict the 1TB will last you about 3 months until you need more ;) #DataHoarder
I’m really good at surviving with a very small amount of money. For a while I also would steal food from wherever I could get it, I thankfully don’t have to do that anymore but the skills are there.
I used to live off of the leftover food of people who didn’t finish their plate at a restaurant.
me being autistic at the same time not knowing that was looked down upon: you gonna finish your fries??
A big thing is thinking about finances constantly and asking those kinds of questions in social settings. It’s more of a common thing to do when you’re in a poorer environment.
Everyone talks about finances… but upper class has different “struggles”
Poor people more often have the kind of reaction of “Oh, that must have cost a lot.” whereas richer people will simply say “Yeah that’s good for you, it’s important to get the good stuff”.
Or, it’s knowing how fancy something is and then having to one up people. Money is involved but perhaps not explicitly mentioned, depends on the purpose though.
