Good. We had perfectly reasonable rebuildables for so long.
And then Juul made disposables popular and in came waves of China disposables.
Good. The batteries alone being disposable is insane. https://stoke.nub.news/news/local-news/staffordshire-university-graduate-uses-disposable-vape-batteries-to-power-electric-scooter-197624
not smoke/vape related… but I remember buying a couple of these one shot power banks. Disposable thing, it was in like a pouch rather than a case. I did some googling… it looked a lot like this:
https://www.amazon.com/Boostrcharge-Pre-Charged-Emergency-Hurricane-Preparedness/dp/B0BGMK7NWV?th=1
link disclaimer, DO NOT buy this crap
but it was about 10 years ago, they were like a quid each and I think I saw a basket of them at a market stall or something and I got 2. Anyway, lived in my work rucksack for a very long time, never being needed. I lost one, and the otherone the pouch got a bit damaged, so I thought sod it, lets open it.
Couldn’t believe it, I was expecting a bunch of alkaline button batteries connected together through a little zener circuit, but no, it was a straight up lithium ion battery.
It should surprise me, but not as anymore. It must be economies of scale making lithium batteries the cheapest thing to do now.
Based.
Should’ve been done years ago.
Yeah there’s only really benefits to this.
I, too, love the idea of kids getting sketchy ass vapes from weird ass dealers in alleyways. Nothing but benefits tbh
Disposable vapes are already sketchy…
And what kind of logic is this? Should children be able to buy alcohol on the basis that if they don’t get served in pubs/shops they could theoretically instead be sold moonshine in an alleyway?
Should children be able to buy alcohol on the basis that if they don’t get served in pubs/shops they could theoretically instead be sold moonshine in an alleyway?
Yes. That’s how we do it in Germany, because we know they would otherwise just steal alcohol from stores or get an adult to buy it for them, like is the case in the US
You literally have absolutely no point at all do you
I saw a disposable vape with a screen and Bluetooth/mic built in. You could play games on it and take calls. That is a ridiculous amount of e-waste.
Who the fuck does that even appeal to?
15 year olds would be my guess
But where are they going to have access to their vape that they don’t have access to their phone? Do most 15 yr olds have the disposable income to spend (probably) twice as much for something disposable anyway?
You can have a phone and a vape. Double pleasure.
it’s insane they ever took hold. in the 20 fucking 20s. people look at my refillable mod like I’m holding a walkman
As someone who is using a nicotine vape to wean off of nicotine, I still don’t understand why people buy disposable ones.
It’s less cost-effective, less customizable, and more sketchy.
Agree, I make my own liquid/coils/wicks and it doesn’t come to more than 20 quid a month
Are you able to order nicotine?
It’s easy.
It’s closer in spirit to buying a pack of smokes, it’s easy to just grab one on the way somewhere, less of an issue if you lose it or have to toss it(like at some concert venues), easier to give to your friends, and generally they are much smaller, so easier to conceal.
Maybe I’ve just been lucking out, but every concert venue I’ve been to recently has let me in with my vape. I usually tell the security person I have it on me, and then they tell me it’s fine and pass me through. You’re right though, it would suck to have to toss it.
I don’t agree with the “smaller” part though. Most of the disposable units I see are thicker and wider than my refillable one, since they need to be long-lasting as a value proposition. I think the main draw is probably pure convenience.
Definitely pure convenience and flavor.
Wife bought one (even though we have refillables) and damn if it doesn’t taste really fucking good, hits perfectly without needing to fuck with it.
Still don’t think we should make it a regular thing because it’s so wasteful
Personally I think they’re useful for one thing and one thing only, a gig/night out. When you don’t want to have some kind of battery pack to recharge your vape so you have a couple disposables in your pocket, and if you lose it, shrug, it cost a couple quid.
That said, I back this ban wholeheartedly
Someone said it’s an easy thing to get and “flavourful”. There’s plenty of cheap expensive vapes… I’ve seen coworkers with £250 on the unit itself and they have to clean it and replace coils? I can understand someone wanting a care free alternative" that works".
Not for me, just answering your question based on what I was told.
My rig cost me $50, a month’s worth of juice and coils is $40.
I see the big expensive rigs and I don’t want to spend that much on something I’m hoping to use for a couple years, max. Plus if I lose it I’m out a ton.
Where do you live? I’m in Canada and the government is making it super expensive to vape here it sucks.
The disposable black market & associated disproportionate rise in youth vaping in Australia results from the illegality of all vapes, not just disposables. It’s hard to imagine it becoming a burgeoning black market predicated solely on that vapers find the highly available, better value, relatively environmentally friendly option untenable. Overall a sensible move I think coming from a pro-vape perspective
What was the rationale for banning all vapes in Australia? Seems excessive. Are cigarettes banned too?
Cigarettes and tobacco products are highly taxed. Why they didn’t go down that route I’ll never understand.
Tobacco companies weren’t making money off them, no juul equivalent here, nothing from Marlboro/Phillip Morris ECT. Big lobbies to push the government. A year past the ban on vapes and I can still find them everywhere… Except from the doctors and pharmacies that are meant to be selling legal replacements.
To address youth vaping. The outcome of that has been that youth vaping is significantly higher than in other OECD member countries, and kids are now getting them from the ‘vape dealer’ whom may have other illicit drugs available. Cigarettes aren’t banned, only made unaffordable via progressive excise tax. That’s had its own unintended consequences of launching a new market for “chop chop” i.e. illegally grown unprocessed tobacco, as well as black market imports that sidestep the plain packaging laws, and tobacco gang wars in Sydney and Melbourne.
Yeah, good luck with that. Nobody is regulating any of it so the rules might as well be advisory only.
Seemingly every dodgy corner shop sells high strength disposable vapes already, so I don’t know why they’d stop because of this…
In the same fashion that cigarettes are no longer on display in stores this will absolutely have an effect. The supply chain will eventually evaporate so once stores are out of stock it’ll no longer be common place. Sure, they could be imported but stores that don’t comply won’t be common and will stick out easily.
I don’t think cigarettes being out of view lead to their decrease, nor all the warnings or pictures of diseases. It’s more that they cost about £15 a pack. Honestly feels like weed has already overtaken cigarettes.
I know they mean well, and disposables are spectacularly wasteful, but I can also see the appeal of a cheap, no maintenance, no mess, no faff vape.
And from a purely selfish point of view, I’d rather smell Fruit Salad smelling vapes everywhere than cigarettes or more bloody weed.
Hear that noise? That’s the sound of organized criminal smuggling gangs celebrating being given their new market.
I really can’t see that happening when perfectly legal alternatives are like 20 quid. People aren’t exactly going out of the way to do things via the illegal method, just because
Disposable vapes, not vapes in general
Banning disposable vapes are just a strictly positive thing
But not disposable lighters?
disposable vapes come with built in lithium batteries, while (most) disposable lighters don’t. so there is a very real difference between the two. but disposal lighters are also stupidly wasteful, so it would be nice to ban those as well.
Lighters last a super long time and they don’t contain batteries which is the real concern.
Lighters last a super long time
flashbacks to last 4th of July where we needed to get 4 different disposable lighters before one worked
Not that the actual lighters are any better, those dry out on their own with no use.Hate to be a shill, but were they of the Bic brand or were they shitty knock offs?
I’ve never seen a “disposable” lighter that didn’t have a gas filling hole.
went to my junk drawer and got one, Doesn’t have anything on the bottom and top won’t come off without breaking
You can actually remove it pretty easily. I recall because I removed that shiny metal bit so I could follow a life hack video that allows you to increase the flame size. I’m sure you could take it off and refill it.
Thanks for sharing. Indeed no hole, but definitely refillable. I agree, It’s not the most user friendly option, but still an option.
huh, interesting didn’t know that. Thanks for sharing too, have a good day!
Aside from the myraid of good arguments about why this is a good thing to be happening.
Having, in a past attempt to quit smoking, used a few. The ones that they tried to make look like a cigarette.
Yeah they are really awful, utterly horrid. I’d rather suck turd out a camels arse. Turned out I’d also rather just stop entirely (sorry, I only lasted about 18 months. but I will mange it)
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Wow, I normally don’t think of England when it comes to countries who have their shit together!
Don’t get used to it.
I think we just get by by knowing we’re better than Northern Ireland.
Good start. Now expand to all current and future battery devices. Honestly, disposable battery devices are a bad, out of date idea. Doing nothing but long term harm to the environment.
But nothing will change until firms are forced to do so. It’s just time until the next huge disposable trend if it is not addressed now.
we need a clean, biodegradable version of vapes. maybe use some form of paper? and instead of juice just use the actual leaves from the tobacco plant
Why paper? Why not just use the leaves?
And instead of pasteurizing it and adding a bunch of chemicals, we just let it sit and develop on its own? Naturally fermented like everything else that tastes complex and amazing?
We just invented cigars.
And pipe tobacco! I have a collection of tobacco blends I’m aging.
Use my vape (with rechargeable batteries) for addiction maintenance.
Tobacco is too pleasurable a luxury to give up. Harm reduction is the way to go for me.
Would this create less waste than buying one vape and using it forever?
It would fuck up the environment with butts like it always has. Cigs are shit for the environment, birds eat them and die and they’re everywhere. Can’t wait for them to completely die out.
I absolutely hate the fact that we as a society just agreed that cigarette butts aren’t garbage, because then you have to argue with smokers. Some day people look back and make fun of these assholes
It’s time to bring back tobacco pipes.
Pipe tobacco is amazing. It can be very complex after aging.
The average pipe smoker lives longer than the average non smoker.
Nice try Gandalf
Thems fighten words. I don’t smoke any churchwardens. Among pipe smokers, you’re usually dealing with a particular type of socially tone deaf nerd when they smoke a churchwarden and start talking about pipe weed. You need to be at least 60 and fully grey to pull off a churchwarden.
Sorry, Gaffer.
My grandfather would not disagree with you but then he’s dead from lung cancer.
Now there’s a claim haha
If it’s true, it’s likely socioeconomic. Relatively expensive start up cost, bag or tin of pipe tobacco usually costs more than a pack of cigarettes. Tends to select for wealthier users with better healthcare.
It’s not inhaled so the cancer risk is lower than cigarettes. But, yeah, it’s not healthy.
now where will bigclive get free discarded lithium cells?
