Bonus question: how much would a company have to pay you for you to give 100% effort at work?
My actual job - a little more than i make. Dealing with the BS - priceless.
Google says i should make ~$150k. The sheer scope and complexity of my work deserves far more in my opinion. That and stupid tax to deal with a major corporation. So, I’ll round up to an even $200k. Full effort… $300k.
I already give 100% effort at work. I make an average of $37.50/hr, waiting tables. I wouldn’t accept less than $35 as a straight wage if I were to forgo tips.
I think what I get is ok, because I adjust my effort to the payment.
I don’t think I could give 100% effort at work, that would burn me out in no time and that’s not worth any money.
$175k.
$275k to full tilt. It wouldn’t be worth it because I’d quit in a year.
$275k to full tilt. It wouldn’t be worth it because I’d quit in a year.
$275k would set you for life? You’d be able to put up with a year, but not able to handle one more year and double your money?
Also $275k is only about $196k after federal taxes and FICO.
I think they meant the burn out after a year of full tilt.
FICA? FICO is for credit scores.
Thanks for catching my typo. Fixed now.
Np
I am struggling with “fair” here. I’m pretty well paid for the public sector, but the private sector would offer a 50%+ increase with a noticable loss of stability. So I don’t know. I do think they should have promoted me years ago though .
One MILLLLLION dollars.
My work is worth a hell of a lot less than I’m actually paid considering how many irrelevant meetings I have to attend, and probably a solid one million per year would do it. No promises I won’t start slacking as soon as your back is turned and I feel comfortable.
Found the manager
I’m not a manager, just the default Subject Matter Expert that they keep calling up. But I might as well be seeing as what I actually end up doing on a daily basis.
I’ll do anything for a room, food, security, internet, and a few thousand dollars a year for electronics and bike parts. I’m pretty useless but will try as hard as I can manage. I can’t really go anywhere, and I need someone to do my grocery shopping. I’m out of the house for a PT routine most days for around 1-2 hours. I’m quiet, and don’t say much, but I cook a ton of really good food once every couple of weeks, I grow stuff, ferment stuff, will do your laundry and care for the cats. I’m in a lot of pain, but you’ll see that I care a ton in my own ways. I can fix almost anything from a car to electronics to household stuff but I’m super slow. Physically I exist for around 1 hour a day where I can be upright and working on something. I’d love someone to unspeakable levels if they wanted me. Money has no value to me. I just want stability and security to live the best version of what remains of my existence. I can’t travel or do much else without causing me harm. When I become homeless in the future, I won’t last very long. I don’t know how to put a number on that.
There are tons of jobs where the required physical effort is zero. They hire you for your brain, not your physical ability.
Disability is way more complicated than it may seem. I’m generally capable, but I go through major ups and downs of sleep depravation that make me professionally incompetent. I have extensive spinal damage. I must maintain a physical therapy routine to limit my ups and downs, but every month or two, some little anomaly will cause me injury and take a week or two before I can recover to 4-6 hours of sleep. Like I can’t turn my head very far left. If I try, there is a high probability of injury near the limit of how far I can rotate. Most of my damage is in the thoracic (ribs) region. This is super rare and unlike any other types of back problems that people usually associate with back problems.
I can’t take sleeping aids or my problems are much worse. I flop around like crazy every 5-10 minutes even when I’m sleeping. It is hard to communicate pain tolerances and quantify what is a lot of pain. As an indicator, I’ve raced bicycles, ridden over 200 miles in a day for fun, crashed multiple times breaking bones, including ribs, and still rode home tens of miles when I could have made a phone call for a ride easily. Even when such an injury could cause me harm in theory because of my chronic issues, the pain is irrelevant to me. I’m the Black Knight of cyclists as far as I’m concerned. It took two SUV’s at the same time to substantially injure me and neither of them recovered from the fight and got crushed, kidding… but…
I’ve run my own business with employees twice and managed for someone else. I would not hire me.
They wouldn’t want me to give 100% effort. There are too many people around me who are new or poorly trained or incompetent. My 100% would involve addressing the poor leadership, poor processes, poor accountability mechanisms that have us in our current situation. So since they would likley fire me for it, they would need to pay me at least three years of industry-standard salary for my position to make up for time unemployed and the black mark on my job history.
Let’s say they wouldn’t fire you for it. Would an industry-standard salary be enough to get you to put in all that effort?
No, my salary is currently around average and I set my effort level compared to my coworkers’ levels. Any move/promotion paths I’m interested in would not be made easier by giving that full effort.
I look for smart effort, not max effort. The CEO of my company is for damn sure not the hardest working. Hard work is not the full answer to success in this capitalist society.
With my experience and technical background, I’ve learned I’m way underpaid, even among my peers in my company.
$215k annual would be what I consider fair.
Eh, I’d be happy with $30 hourly. At 70 hours a week (line cook) I’d be making around $100k. I was making 87¢ an hour above minimum wage at the place I just left. I gave 100% anyway because if I didn’t the experience really sucked
At least $100k with all the bullshit they put us through. 🙄
But if they got me to $80k—$90k, I’d be a quieter worker bee.
Anybody with a full time job should be able to comfortably afford a home, car and protect their health and future.
The fact that this isn’t the case is caused by unfettered greed.
I knew I’d get a ton of answers like this, that’s why I asked for a dollar amount.
The best I can offer you is an equation since it varies so drastically from region to region.
((Cost of living) * 2.5 + taxes) / 40
I should be able to own a home and raise a family on a single income as an engineer.
Glassdoor says that I should be making 90k or so
What do you make now? 90k sounds low.
$65k. I’m only 30 and in a low cost of living state. But yeah I’m at the low end of what my career makes. I’m shit at selling myself and I’ve struggled to get a leg up professionally so I’ve just wound up at a place that underpays me as I keep looking elsewhere
Finding a new job is the fastest way to increase your salary, and looking for one while you already have a job is a million times easier than when you don’t. Especially in engineering; there’s a huge demand for almost all engineering fields (one exception being software engineers, sorry you guys are kinda saturated right now). I started at 68.5k, changed jobs to 87.5k, and just recently changed again to 105k. All within 2.5 years. Good luck getting that kind of increase with annual salary negotiations at a single company.
Polish up your resume, update your LinkedIn, respond to recruiters (make sure they’re legit, get info from them first BEFORE giving them yours. They can see your LinkedIn profile, that should be enough), and never refuse an interview. At the very least, use interviews as practice on keeping your skills sharp. Interviews can actually be pretty fun if you don’t have a serious interest in the place because there is zero pressure. And when you’re not operating under pressure, that looks like confidence.
Don’t be too eager to take the first offer that comes your way either. Be blunt. “That’s not enough money for me”, “I’ll need a hiring/relocation bonus before I can consider this.”, “That’s a longer commute than I have currently, I’ll need an increase in the offer to make up the cost of gas and the extra time.” And if they don’t play ball, thank them for their time and keep looking. Force the companies to sell themselves to you, not the other way around. You’d be surprised how often a “Sorry, we just can’t go that high” magically turns into “Would you still be interested if we can make that work?” a few days/weeks later when they realize how tiny the candidate pool is.
You are a hot fucking commodity. Let them fight over you.
