More dataisdepressing than dataisbeautiful

  • trainsaresexy@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I wish more people would read Jane Jacob’s system of survival since I think it’s a good breakdown of liberal/conservative. It’s also an excellent book that’s not that long and easy to read.

    Liberals are A conservatives are B. Society needs both. Neither are inherently bad, it’s probably more that humans/life/society is cruel by nature.

    Moral Syndrome A       Moral Syndrome B
    shun force       shun trading
    voluntary agreement       exert prowess
    be honest       be obedient and disciplined
    collaborate       adhere to tradition
    compete       respect hierarchy
    respect contracts       be loyal
    use initiative and enterprise       take vengeance
    open to inventiveness and novelty       deceive for the sake of the task
    be efficient       make rich use of leisure
    promote comfort and convenience       be ostentatious
    dissent for the sake of the task       dispense largesse
    invest for productive purposes       be exclusive
    be industrious       show fortitude
    be thrifty       be fatalistic
    be optimistic       treasure honor
    
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      2 months ago

      This is your brain on idealism, just pure vibes. Political astrology.

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        2 months ago

        Have you read it? Don’t judge too quickly!

        Actually on second thought nvm. If that’s you’re response then I’m out :)

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          No, but like… dude, you could flip half of those supposed traits between categories and it would read exactly the same. That’s why I called it astrology.

          Perhaps you just did a bad job of presenting the book’s ideas, but I’ve just read through a summary of it and it didn’t exactly make me reconsider my knee jerk reaction.

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            2 months ago

            Thanks for explaining. I did a bad job explaining it, but I’m only taking a short break irl and am just jumping into this conversation. I’ve removed that section of my comment.

            The book explains this in more detail and I recommend it. We don’t get much deep discussion into what it means to be conservative/liberal and the purpose of the book isn’t to go into that but it does provide a framework. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Jacobs

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              2 months ago

              But now your comment is just “here’s 10 hour read that explains everything, I will not elaborate” like in this post: https://sh.itjust.works/post/26206134

              You can at least leave info about what it should explain, at best you can summarise, but it is possible that you will not persuade people to read that.

              From the wiki page, it looks like the idea behind the book is viable, but nothing is scientific about it, no research, no further developments, it’s just how the author sees the system work. This may be insightful but should be taken with a large grain of salt