He called me a setter and a nazi out of the blue, and I asked him if he slanders everyone or if he has a reason for saying that about me, then he replies with this legendary quote:

If you’re Amerikan, then you live in the bowels of the single most brutal settler-colonial entity to exist in the modern era. “Settling” is not a once-and-done action; it is a constant state as long as you are on settled land.

https://lemmy.ml/post/20866301/14006932

  • TimewornTraveler@lemm.eeEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Sooo they should go settle somewhere else? Where do they expect them to go? Or maybe they just want US to kill themselves. Hmm, maybe Hexbear isn’t that well-reasoned at its heart…

    It’s fucking easy to virtue signal “colonialism bad”. It’s much harder to propose a solution that doesn’t involve even more mass death of innocents. If someone doesn’t have primum non nocere at the heart of their politics, they are not healing anything. They are just doing blood for blood.

    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      There’s a lot of validity to pointing out that colonization is an ongoing process. Just ask any native tribe that’s lost their fight over sacred lands so some jackass oligarch can pump oil the short way.

      I’m not sure “ethnically cleanse all people with European blood” is the answer.

      • PugJesus@lemmy.worldMEnglish
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        3 months ago

        There’s a lot of validity to pointing out that colonization is an ongoing process. Just ask any native tribe that’s lost their fight over sacred lands so some jackass oligarch can pump oil the short way.

        I agree, it’s just, you know, “White person living” isn’t “continuing colonization”. Shit like the Dakota Access Pipeline is continuing colonization. Seems to be the issue with a lot of tankie takes. They find an actual issue that needs to be fought, and proceed to get nearly every detail of it wrong.

          • bastion@feddit.nlEnglish
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            3 months ago

            Taking illegitimate actions fucks up the legitimacy of legitimate anger. Why should anybody relinquish power if the other side can’t do it any better?

            That’s not to say we don’t need a change. But if you’re poor, blaming the rich, then you’ll be rich, blaming the poor later. Neither breaks the cycle.

      • thann@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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        3 months ago

        well i got banned form lemmy.ml for calling attention to communists threats, so clearly there is a double standard

  • YeetPics@mander.xyzEnglish
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    3 months ago

    Lmao, these pricks are actually hurting their own base by alienating themselves so hard.

    Sucks to suck 🤷

    • Fox@pawb.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      They swear they aren’t a far right false flag / psyop, but why do that work for free? The first time I encountered them was enough to conclude that democracy was the worst idea in human history.

  • TheFrirish@jlai.luEnglish
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    3 months ago

    no no guys you are mistaken bovinepollinatingfly told me that it’s a wholesome community because it’s communist /s

  • Cruxifux@feddit.nlEnglish
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    3 months ago

    The whole settler thing is never going to resonate when you’re accusing someone whose family has been there for generations of being complicit.

    • thann@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I understand I benefit from colonialism, but my hands are kinda tied! I It’s like I don’t even own property the super wealthy are the real colonisers! We mostly went from beneficiary to bystanders, to victims as well. And I call out genocide every chance I get but to the hexbear I might as well have done the atrocities myself…

      • Cruxifux@feddit.nlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Yeah when I joke with my native buddies about the whole “stolen land” thing (which absolutely white colonizers stole land from natives in Canada) I’m always like “well boys, they didn’t give any to me and my family, because we still don’t own shit.”

        The working poor are part of the victims, we aren’t part of the victimizers. Myself personally, I wouldn’t shed one single fucking tear if all the generational colonialist pigfucks had to return all the land they own to native Canadians.

      • bastion@feddit.nlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Just do the best you can with the power you have.

        Nobody wants to heart this, but: All of the abuses of power on the large scale are personal issues that have continued, unresolved, into the large scale, because we haven’t resolved them on the small scale.

        Do your part. Process your shit. Through that, you gain the perspective to use what power you do have well, without fucking yourself or others over in the process.

  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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    3 months ago

    Some truth there… but kinda odd to be spazzing about america when Israel is genociding people to settle Palestine as we speak lol

  • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
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    3 months ago

    Colonialism was terrible, but technically all land is settled. Humans always moved and settled somewhere else, even before we could be classified as homo sapiens, and that was often brutal too when we encountered others. There’s ultimately no space where we truly came from or belong to.

        • thann@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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          3 months ago

          You’re right we gotta dig up all of Africa to look for the oldest skeleton first

      • DarkThoughts@fedia.io
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        3 months ago

        I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here. Land Back is about colonization. I’m very specifically going back to human origins and how we, as homo sapiens, spread across the globe. This includes what we consider “natives” in America, Australia, Europe, and other parts of the globe where we did not originate from. All those places were settled by us and were not inhabited by humans originally.

  • index@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 months ago

    If you’re Amerikan, then you live in the bowels of the single most brutal settler-colonial entity to exist in the modern era.

    They are not fully wrong. What were you banned for?

  • barsquid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I swear I’ve seen that same account screeching that it is good if Donald wins because any amount of collateral damage is acceptable as long as some number of “crackers” are put up against a wall.

    Just a repugnant little internet troll. An excellent example of why defederating from hexbear is the right course of action.

      • barsquid@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        If you search their comments for “cracker” the rage is a decent portion of their content.

        What I remember was basically like https://lemmy.ml/post/20607225/13895181 but specifically tailored to whether or not Donald is a threat we should all vote against.

        Pretty delusional. Repub pogroms wouldn’t be targeting the classic liberals this person despises. IDK who they expect will be doing reconstruction afterwards. Of course they’re participating on instances where fragile mods protect ahistorical clownery.

  • mhague@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    “Amerikan”

    It’s just a phase. They like the aesthetic and won’t ever do anything.

    • thann@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      3 months ago

      dessalines be like: death to all americans is just the edgy thing kids are saying these days

      • mhague@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        3 months ago

        Amerikans, please, or Amerikkkans if you aren’t into the whole brevity thing. The branding of the phase is important. Remember, label out when you’re bashing colonialism!