« A total of 1,030 people — including 156 women and 87 children — have been killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon in less than two weeks, the country’s health minister said Saturday. » (source)

of course it’s better than France since France is still colonial imperialist power and this hellhole was once SFRY

(don’t know why i chuckled at your “of course”, i’ve only spent a few days on lemmy.world and already forgot what Lemmygrad was like, quite apart from the rest of the Internet :))

I still don’t entirely agree with the term fascism, even if i could see how the rhetoric about muslims in France is close to the rhetoric about jews in the past, e.g., they’re destroying the fabric of society by not being french enough, and are a threat solely by their identity, an annoyance to get rid of, even an attack.
But their militarism isn’t as exacerbated(, which could be explained solely by the context), the same goes for their nationalism as well(, even if they’re not internationalist, saying America first or France first, even at the expense of other countries, isn’t uncommon), and it’s always a bit worrying to hear them praise order and the restoration of authority.
They’re still in favor of bourgeois democracy though, without public plans for a stronger leadership, don’t openly support censorship, or express themselves as being a third way against liberalism.
They don’t talk about the “french race” as inherently superior to the others with a classification of the different races in a biological way, nor put forward the virile/military strength of the male in order to save the nation.
When they talk about our past you can feel that monarchism isn’t entirely dead in the heart of some of them, but damn, you can also almost even hear them talk of direct democracy sometimes(, although it may be a french exception).
But even if i personally consider the qualification fascism as an exaggeration since it can always be worse, i can see how it’s similar, it’s perhaps indeed more a question of quantity/intensity than quality/nature.
It’s just that being pro-capitalist seems enough of a slur for me 🤷, it means legalizing theft and heading back to a feodal society(, even if technological progress may change this course towards more inequalities).

some people love China and view it in positive light

Yeah, we don’t have that here, they’re a dictatorship that persecute its opposition and if it falls we’ll applaud this liberation. No need to explain to you why that’s bullshit and revolting.

extreme racism against Roma

That’s everywhere indeed, they’re seen as criminals/thieves who don’t want to work(, how could they without papers ?), people seeing their encampments sometimes think that it’s disgusting and should go away, even if they’re still allowed to stay quite a few years in the end, and it’s not to the point of Ukraine for whom i’ve seen videos of pogroms against the Romani people(, i remember a video where they were chased in the woods), this could happen if our economic situation deteriorates.
I don’t believe in national essentialism, or thinking that the poors deserve their fate(, since they supposedly have the same ‘birth privileges’/‘starting advantages’,) instead of being born at the wrong place/time and just needing help as we all do… I don’t know if you have this expression in Serbia to criticize the actions of our government “strong with the weak, and weak with the strong”. Well, everything can always be worse, at least we’ve avoided the horrors of war…

Here’s something i’ve just seen that may be indicative(, or be a wrong example i.d.k.), if you translate these comments then you’ll see that most people are supporting two protestors that will live two whole years in a jail cell for dirtying a glass protection, absolutely zero damage was caused(, i don’t know how they attained the number of 10.000£), we’re not allowed to do violent protests and that’s the most nonviolent i could think of, it even made a bit of publicity for this art piece. I can’t understand the state but even worse it’s all of these comments that i cannot understand, they’re either against ecology(, why ?), or mistakenly believed that this art piece was ruined(, i doubt it), i don’t know, that’s the “strong against the weak” part, as for the “weak against the strong” there’s private-public partnerships(, e.g., highway tolls), or the tax evasion&avoidance, etc., you’re not going to hit the hand the fed you after all 🤷
It was retweeted by someone, Guillaume Meurice, who worked in one of the last public medias that we still have for more than a decade, and was fired, unbelievably, because of a segment in which he jokingly said while laughing that « In fact, Netanyahu is like Hitler, but without a foreskin », i shit you not it’s for that sole reason officially and nothing else, i can’t understand why a lot of people agreed that he went too far and had to be fired, in my eyes i’m convinced that he was fired for being probably (one of )the last “leftist” in our medias(, clearly not a communist propagandist/theorician mind you, we don’t have that in France except on the Internet, but he’s for a more humane capitalism and criticize our excesses).

Well, i’ll not make my review of the whole state of France(, not sure i’d be able to anyway), but here’s some anecdotes as well, could be worse, could be better.

Thank you very much, i don’t remember having heard of an example like the steel mill factory in Silesia before, that was informative. I didn’t know about the gift of state-owned enterprises to the zaibatsus either, thanks !
I don’t think i have much to add to your comment.

I’ve quickly documented myself on the “polish economic miracle” a few years ago, but only remember that it was linked with millions of polish working in other european countries, as well as important foreign direct investments, you seem knowledgeable so perhaps could you redirect me towards some explanations for this, or take a bit of your time to explain it to me yourself ?
Also, having never heard of Poland(, or any country for that matter,) funding 100% of a company while leaving the dividends to foreign hands, i’m interesting in knowing more about that as well if you have the time and/or a link.

Wow, that was very informative on more than one level, i wrote more than a dozen comments these past day and yours is probably the best, thanks !

The situation you initially described made me think of accounts i’ve read from eastern europe, but then progressively i’ve realized that it’s probably the same in other countries with the rise of the far-right everywhere and the displacement of the Overton window. In France we’ve pretty much sold every single public company, and Serbia is incredibly much more socialists than i first thought, you almost don’t have any communists in France, our far-far-left political parties are trostkyists that are anti-Russia and probably consider China a dictatorship and our “socialist party” has been capitalist for decades, etc. Serbia in comparison doesn’t seem worse, i’ve lived all my life without knowing what socialism means, you still have remnants.
Once capitalists are in power, it’s not surprising for anti-communism to be on the rise, please don’t blame the population too much for not taking weapons, we’ll have to do counter-propaganda ideally but our funds are more meager and i could understand if it seems like a lost cause. For that matter, i don’t think that a communist revolution is likely to happen in France(, where i’m from,) either, nor in the u.s.a.
I misunderstood what you meant by “there is no saving” before, i thought that you were, e.g., french or american, and deemed these countries much worse than your own, when you’re in fact comparing it the inspiring Yugoslavia of Tito(, believe it or not, despite its closeness, most french people don’t know him and forgot about Yugoslavia, and he would obviously be classified as a dictator for not having bourgeois democracy). I didn’t realize that your criticism came from the inside, but please do not despair ! Things change, and indeed these graphs show that Serbia isn’t as anti-China as you thought(, the same goes for Hungary), it’s at least one reason to rejoice.

Ah, and pardon me, but your grandmother seems awesome(, do you have any idea what my family members believes in(, i’m honestly not complaining) ? Having a grandmother that likes Lenin&Stalin and even believes that V.Putin is a crypto-socialists seems awesome/unbelievable, congratulations, she’s even surfing the web, and she stops when he’s talking about the replacement theory ? Man, we also have whole channels and political parties that talk about this the all day, my grandmother has already integrated this as a fact many years ago and believes that immigrants are the cause of crimes, not poverty(, and is also certain that crimes are on the rise, like a lot of people, even if surveys show the contrary, we’re beyond being anti-communist by forgetting about it)).

B.t.w., are you financially independent with your own place ? If not, it’ll get better at this moment according to my experience, some people are annoying(, but, i mean, your aunt still claim to be socialist, my family members don’t even want to debate so i’m explicitly told to shut up each time(, we’ll still love each other though, just that no politics or any other debate is allowed)), but even if they’re annoying you’ll have to challenge yourself as this is the occasion to bring the best of yourself, to try small pertinent comments in a loving voice if you manage to, and take time to let them explain their worldview to you even if you already know it(, sometimes ending their sentences if it gets too long).
That’s just my personal opinion, we’re here to make this world a better place aren’t we ? Nobody’s perfect(, very clearly myself first).

I’ve got time, so we could be (learning from each other by) having a debate on religion and/or conpirationnism if you’re in a mood for that(, debating is fun and instructive ?). But i’ll totally understand if you lack the time and/or will to continue this discussion for too long.

Well, not necessarily, it’s only suspended not canceled :)

Then please send them, i assumed that you were only talking about l.g.b.t. laws.

This graph is not related at all, it’s from 2021 and it’s global investments, look at the y axis. Poland would barely be shown there as pixel.

Did you have a look at the document ? The graph is on p.16

And in the other graphs in your link you can see that US investments in Poland were less than Belgian or Swiss or Swedish

It’s in second position though ?
(And while it’s not directly foreign investments it’s still closely linked which is why i wrote “good enough”)

I.d.k., but even if it was scrapped it’s probably counted in.

I’ve found this graph here :

I don’t know for the other years, and couldn’t easily find data to conclude, but the article writes that :

Intel, a chipmaker, picked Poland for a $4.6bn plant

That’d be 4.6bn out of the ~$7bn on the graph

I should probably stop having clashes online, but i’ve nothing else to do currently.

I’d say : isolate yourself then.
On my part, i’ll believe we need allies and not “left purity”, let’s survive first.
Also, feel free to disagree but even after ensuring the survival of the communist ideals i want a multipolar/multinodal world, i don’t want a uniform communist world-state but communists, theocrats, monarchists, real/direct democrats, “anarcho”-capitalists, and many more. I.d.c. about world domination, it’s not desirable, feel free to dislike these countries but i won’t.

Ah, i’m sorry but i can’t wrap my head around why counting(, or not,) Russia in the foreign investments number would change something about this likelihood : if it is absent then China is still enough(, and if it presents then this likelihood would increase). Sorry for my lack of comprehension and feel free not to explain yourself further on this detail if you don’t consider it important.

colour revolution based only off of this data is unlikely

While i don’t see the link with Russia(, since the p.r.c. is enough in itself), i entirely agree with this quote, it can just be considered as one of the indicators of geopolitical alignment, and i felt interesting to share this ~discovery with Lemmygrad.

no clue 🤷, perhaps a mistake ?
The article isn’t more informative about this “top three countries”(, and announces a european ban on chinese electric vehicles) : https://archive.ph/69zPS, with the usual race to the bottom :

Rich countries may offer more subsidies, but CEE countries have cheaper land and labour, looser regulations and lower taxes.

I don’t understand since i don’t see a mention of russian foreign investments in the infographic, it’s probably in the category “others” ?

it really seems to me like there is very little reason for this feud

What’s your opinion, or that of any reader passing here, about the way to behave when you’re attacked by the west ? Our newspapers often painted Evo Morales in a negative way despite his exemplarity, sometimes even as a dictator.
Wikipedia states that « Since 1950, Bolivia has seen the most coups of any country », isn’t sacrificing Evo Morales a good thing to please the west ? Will it be enough, and will it be beneficial for Bolivia ?

With that defeatist/cautious mindset, every opposition would have fallen one after the other, only brave rebellions ended slavery, colonization, occupations, … Fighting back seems more dangerous than submitting, but perhaps that it isn’t, and the curent government isn’t really submitting but simply being less vocal, if sacrificing Evo could make them gain more years to develop, then isn’t it worth it ?

On the other side, sacrificing Stalin didn’t accomplish much in the end, because the problem was that they dared to have a different ideology, and even when the u.s.s.r. and eastern europe progressively gave up on socialism, and disappeared, it still wasn’t enough, because Russia was then criticized for supporting Yugoslavia, Lybia, Syria, etc., the endgoal for now is the stupid uniformity, until Russia, and the rest of the world, is aligned with western interests.

There’s no talk of cooperation towards other different countries, it’s about selfish competition.

Yes, it’s tempting to be less vocal in your opposition, but it may also mean being less supportive of, e.g., Venezuela or Cuba, in the name of protecting your own country first.
Yes nothing will change unless we take unite together, but their/our history book is unfortunately full of martyrs that failed, should they/we avenge, e.g., Che Guevara, or learn to not make waves because they have responsabilities ?

If this willingness of appeasing the west pointless(, whether or not it’s the cause of this feud) ?
From my point of view they’ll be next once we’ve destroyed more influent differences such as islamists and the last socialists, they’re simply not powerful enough to be deemed a potential threat.
Yet on the other side it’d be foolish to haste a coup if it can be avoided, and a bit naive to simply trust that the population will lead a civil war in order to get the power back.

Most countries try to stay neutral(, some by rejecting all sides and others by supporting all sides). This world sucks, nothing new, clearly nothing normal since uniformity isn’t desirable.

I think that may be the reason : Evo Morales isn’t supported enough by the west.

I.m.h.o., since you asked, here’s an amateurish attempt :

Evo feels/was betrayed, kinda like Rafael Correa with Lenin Moreno, not much seems needed to be explained here.
I unfortunately can’t judge if he’s right to say that Bolivia would be in a better shape than nowadays under his experimented leadership, that’d require a bit of research.

I think that Luis Arce considers that Evo is too combative, and that they almost lost a lot with Jeanine Añez, there’s enough to have been scared, at least from my point of view their recovery of power seems as miraculous as the liberation of Julian Assange.
I.d.k. if he’s wrong to believe that toning down the m.a.s. rhetoric would protect their cultural revolution, honestly i don’t think so but i don’t/can’t know for certain.
He surprisingly still has the support of D.Choquehuanca whose political engagement makes no doubt in my eyes.
Luis Arce is still criticizing Israel, or supporting China, Cuba, Venezuela, etc., so apart from being clearly less vocal than Evo the results in international relations dont seem to have changed much, it’s at least not clearly a U-turn, as it was with Lenin Moreno for example.
I can’t imagine any indigenous bolivian that would prefer Añez to Arce, but like, e.g., Lula, Evo has a long history with the population, speaking of him being a living legend is probably too much to say of any living politician, but i’d support him if i was bolivian, you don’t put aside such influential people, i.m.o.
And i spoke about Arce’s “cautiousness”, but Evo wasn’t extreme since he said that he wasn’t against anyone, not the west nor the Resistance, and how much would they need to be pro-west until we(sterners) are satisfied ?
There may be some interest over being powerful, famous, rich, or whatever, as well as some partial disdain, but less cynically i believe that Luis Arce is afraid of what the west may do if Evo returns to power, that it’s not worth it.

These are all speculations, the truth is that i haven’t got a clue either. Following their twitter accounts isn’t enough to understand their justifications, i can’t remember when was the last time that Luis Arce mentioned Evo in his tweets for example(, while Evo Morales frequently attacks Luis Arce, without once getting an answer apparently).

Yeah, and everyone should be happy about this, a greener Earth is a good thing for everyone, they did it, and we can avoid the apocalypse by simply copying them(, not on coal but on everything else, and they’re not only successful in ecology, we’re so aggressive, as if collaboration/harmony wasn’t desirable&doable).
Usually, it’s “their system is better than ours in those domains, and i want to imitate that”, here it’s more that we’re going to die by the end of century because the forces of the market aren’t quick enough, apparently.
As in Wandering Earth, we could collaborate peacefully, at least if it’s a question of survival ?
What i was trying to point out is that ecology was already very much discussed in the 60s, with the question of the scarcity of ressources already in mind contrary to what one could have thought(, now there’s some talk of “eco-terrorists”, but again eco-fascism isn’t a word that appeared last year), and the majority of the population believes that we’re going to die if we don’t do something, and we’ve already killed a large part of the biosphere.
If our leaders believe that we absolutely have to act NOW, like we’re being told, then journalists should help the viewer understand why the current strategy to survive( climate change) hasn’t borne fruits yet, or is it not an imminent threat that has to be resolved ? Perhaps are we already doing the most that can be done, and/or are on a good track, so there’s no reason to talk about it anymore ? Well, the People’s Republic of China found a more efficient solution, yet we’re not glad to have a greater chance of survival ? Are we not even going to use it ?

I’m not satisfied with what i wrote, i’m trying to write in a logical manner, but it still appears to be nonsensical. There’s either a big conspiracy to make us believe that climate change is real, or we indeed have to act NOW because we’re not even sure if we’ll make it in time to stabilize the rising temperature of the planet. I don’t see a third option.
My uneasiness may originate from me not having grasped the fact(?) that we’re going to die because we’re not changing our behaviors fast enough, and/or i suppose that any talk of impedent doom wouldn’t seem serious in the first place.
A majority may indeed believe in the urgency of climate, but perhaps only in theory, as some distant conceptual object, i.d.k., but we’re not voting for the most ecological political parties b.t.w., perhaps are we kinda hoping that the temperatures will stop rising by themselves, or that we’ll find out that we were already quick enough, 🤷.
If we have ‘to change/act now’/‘no time left ‘for more experimentations’/‘to find a better method’’ though, then we should be glad that a safer/‘more successful’ method has been found, and increase our chances of survival by imiting it. A long comment that should probably have been reduced to a few sentences, ~sry.

And while we can’t see the west’s hand everywhere, it’s always interesting to point out these kind of events our medias are ignoring, such as Haiti or Bangladesh : https://news.sky.com/story/bangladesh-prime-minister-resigns-after-deadly-protests-reports-13191184

t’was the main reason of the post above 🤷(, i don’t intend to make one about Bangladesh but it’d always be worth spending a few hours to learn more)

You’re saying that this program was a bad thing for the venezuelan/haitian/nicaraguan//cuban population, and i’m saying that 3 out of the 4 countries’ names were considered “terrorists” or w/e.
I didn’t judge whether it was a bad or a good thing, but only found weird that Haiti was put along these 3 countries. While it was mostly an excuse to learn about Haiti, this decision may have been taken solely on the basis of the number of illegal migrants, and not according to the ideology adopted by these nations(, although these two things are linked since by destroying their countries we’re creating a strong emigration).
Yet, once again, this post aimed more at gathering infos about Haiti than discussing this decision. But yes, the number of immigrants did increase since the adoption of these immigration permits, and hence canceling them could be seen as a “good” thing for these countries.

Totally unrelated, but americans get offended when i’m implying that they’re not christians, and i think that very few israelis are indeed jews. But if we were truly religious according to my criteria we would just be destroyed by those who aren’t :

“Thou shall not kill” is great in theory, and it’s easy to say that i’d gladly prefer to be harmed than to harm, even to the point of being killed rather than defending myself ; that even the “Hitlers” wouldn’t be fought back by me, but what about defending someone else ?
I’m glad that many people( i haven’t read) researched what a “just war” meant in the past, yet i don’t think that those harming others for “good” are right either. If you disagree with this comment, that’s because i haven’t made clear that my position on this issue doesn’t exist(, you may be angry at me for not knowing, but can’t disagree with someone who doesn’t know and believe that both positions are wrong).