Like, openly western-backed : https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/19/world/americas/claude-joseph-haiti-stepping-down.html

And here’s the article : https://apnews.com/article/cnhv-cubans-haitians-nicaraguans-venezuelans-parole-border-8440fe7e468dc985fb8939ccaa1be8e8

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I don’t expect any definitive answer, but i/we could perhaps learn a few things in this thread.

Most people here already know that Kenya has been called to restore order(, and keep being pro-west, otherwise we’d encourage riots as usual).
Last time it was Canada, although more things probably happened since then.
Of course, they’re paid less than a dollar an hour and are expected to be grateful to even have a job, that opening their economy to foreign investors will bring them prosperity to all, or w/e.

As far as i remember, the assassins of Jovenel Moïse were mercenaries captured in Columbia ? A dead-end apparently, weird that they managed to capture them without learning the contractor’s identity, perhaps were they hired without being aware of it, i don’t know much about this.

It’s out of topic, but damn do i keep remembering the awful tortures inflicted for YEARS to presumed masterminds of 9/11, they went to hospitals SEVERAL times because of anal bleeding and i can’t imagine how much they begged to be allowed to die, we’ll never know what depraved torments they had to live through, and i don’t know if it’s worse than the millions of people we killed, but it’s so awful, i keep thinking about this and wanted to place it somewhere.
Yet Julian Assange has been freed, there are also many other good news.

Anyway, if you have some informations to share i’m interested.

  • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.mlOP
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    3 months ago

    Totally unrelated, but americans get offended when i’m implying that they’re not christians, and i think that very few israelis are indeed jews. But if we were truly religious according to my criteria we would just be destroyed by those who aren’t :

    “Thou shall not kill” is great in theory, and it’s easy to say that i’d gladly prefer to be harmed than to harm, even to the point of being killed rather than defending myself ; that even the “Hitlers” wouldn’t be fought back by me, but what about defending someone else ?
    I’m glad that many people( i haven’t read) researched what a “just war” meant in the past, yet i don’t think that those harming others for “good” are right either. If you disagree with this comment, that’s because i haven’t made clear that my position on this issue doesn’t exist(, you may be angry at me for not knowing, but can’t disagree with someone who doesn’t know and believe that both positions are wrong).

  • Finiteacorn@lemmygrad.ml
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    3 months ago

    just to be clear they are putting a (temporary) stop to a program the purpose of which is brain drain and bolstering americas cheapest and most exploitable labor force, a program design to make the lives of the people left behind as bad as possible and to destabilize these countries, and u think that is a bad thing?

    its an interesting take, idk if u are wrong but i think u dont understand what u are actually talking about.

    • soumerd_retardataire@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      3 months ago

      You’re saying that this program was a bad thing for the venezuelan/haitian/nicaraguan//cuban population, and i’m saying that 3 out of the 4 countries’ names were considered “terrorists” or w/e.
      I didn’t judge whether it was a bad or a good thing, but only found weird that Haiti was put along these 3 countries. While it was mostly an excuse to learn about Haiti, this decision may have been taken solely on the basis of the number of illegal migrants, and not according to the ideology adopted by these nations(, although these two things are linked since by destroying their countries we’re creating a strong emigration).
      Yet, once again, this post aimed more at gathering infos about Haiti than discussing this decision. But yes, the number of immigrants did increase since the adoption of these immigration permits, and hence canceling them could be seen as a “good” thing for these countries.

      • Finiteacorn@lemmygrad.ml
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        3 months ago

        like i said i dont know that u are wrong just that its not that simple, people are willing to migrate for a reason things are hard and these people generally send back money to their countries for their families so idk whats best and i guess i was a bit snarky about it sorry for that. As for Haiti i think they are in as cover (the humanitarian rhetoric makes more sense if not all the countries are outright enemies of the us) or as a response the other pressures could be they are included primarily to bring more labor. As far as i know a lot of people have been faking requirements to bring people over thru this program since the start so i would guess thats purely an excuse, if it was punishment for what happen in Haiti then its weird the other countries are included, so i think its the pressure from anti immigration people, the number of people who have been migrating is very large, but its not like amerikkkans have ever been above collective punishment.