They’re surrounded by nations who are calling for their extermination

They’re surrounded by countries they constantly attack and stir shit with…

And by “stir shit” I mean commit war crimes, human rights abuses, and outright genocide.

Yet you’re surprised the neighbors don’t like them?

The word has lost its meaning now for a lot of people.

Decades of genocides can make genocide feel normal

Your comment is a perfect example.

Nah, if they didn’t have nukes and US backing (which is likely how they have nukes)…

Then they wouldn’t act like they’re untouchable and wouldn’t commit so many genocides against neighboring countries…

Like, what you’re doing is saying the schoolyard bully has to be a bully because no one likes them. Ignoring the fact that the reason no one likes them is they keep beating up smaller kids.

They can stop being a bully anytime and the situation would improve. Getting mad at the bullied kids because they don’t like the bully makes no logical sense.

Like, you expect people to just ignore when a different country attacks yours and kills your children?

That’s just water under the bridge and they should get over it?

It’s their fault for responding to violence with violence instead of meekly allowing themselves to be exterminated?

Do you even read what you type?

Or do you legitimately just not understand what’s happening?

The International Atomic Energy Agency is expected to vote on a censure resolution against Iran for its lack of cooperation with the UN nuclear watchdog.

Correct me if I’m wrong…

But aren’t Israel’s nukes “open secrets” because they’re not legally allowed to have nuclear weapons either?

Everyone knows they have them, we just pretend they don’t

What OP is talking about has been a thing since the 90s and even 80s and earlier with ex-military.

Move to a cheap country where your pension/disability/passive income/whatever makes you wealthy.

Originally places liked it because it was an influx in cash. But then it became too popular and they were gentrifying places to the point locals couldn’t afford to live and these leeches never worked.

It became big again with the internet when people became able to work and American job while overseas remotely. But by now most American companies just won’t pay American wages. If they wanted someone overseas they’d pay them the low wage they always do.

With those younger people they added the “temporary” because they say they’ll move back someday.

What you’re talking about (if the job is in that country) would be a migrant worker.

But they also don’t like that label, they think they’re better than it.

I’d love to see countries mark “expat” as an option on forms…

Just as a trap to filter them all out.

These are the orchestrators of the Armenian genocide, so this barely makes the top 10 of reason the ruling family (basically a monarchy) are cunts.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan#Government_and_politics

Especially since they’ve restarted the genocide:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/11/asia/nagorno-karabakh-armenians-genocide-intl-hnk/index.html

Make posts to them…

Lots of people browse by /all and /new because of lack of content.

Which means it’s relatively easy to get a sub to catch on

But you need to actually make posts so people see them. Try to space it out tho, 15 posts in 15 minutes will just get people to block it due to spam. A couple spaced out thru a day tho will start getting more interaction, go for quality not quantity and hope eventually other users start submitting stuff for the quantity part.

someone who thinks both party’s won’t help

So this entire slog I’ve went thru to help you understand…

Is because when someone says:

Apple pie is delicious

You take that as a statement of fact and not their opinion because they didn’t say:

I think Apple pie is delicious.

There is nothing I can do to help you here or with anything else you may have difficulty with in the future.

Can you point out where they say “if wage earners think both parties won’t help”?

To avoid confusion because it seems likely:

If you’re a wage earner in this country, your life does not change in any significant way based on who we elect, so why skip a badly needed day’s pay to vote? There’s just no point

A more indepth response:

What you linked:

Weird. A bug in the app switched up my replies.

What I intended to say was:

I can understand. If you’re a wage earner in this country, your life does not change in any significant way based on who we elect, so why skip a badly needed day’s pay to vote? There’s just no point.

And when you point this out to other people, all you get in response are excuses.

They’re explicitly saying that the people whom didn’t vote, didn’t vote because both parties are too similar and won’t help. They’re saying those people need more than “not trump” to vote D.

I’m struggling to see where your confusion is coming from.

If this still doesn’t make sense, can you try asking for clarification in greater detail?

It just seems so obvious to me.

And this isn’t a new conversation, we’ve been having it since 2016, it’s been 8 years man… Hell, really 12 because we started seeing the drop in 2012 when we realized Obama wasn’t who he said in 08

What aren’t you getting about this?

Like, this is the bare bones basics of modern political history in America… Go back decades and the most likely response from a non voter about why they didn’t vote is “neither party will actually help”.

You never learned any of this stuff, like, ever?___

So, the issue is you’re not understanding what people are saying…

You’re thinking they said something they didn’t and you’re getting upset about nothing.

Did you link the wrong comment?

What you linked is just someone saying they can understand why someone who thinks both party’s won’t help, won’t be likely to vote.

I think you’re confusing me for someone else

I voted D like I always do, so have most progressive on here from what I’ve seen them say.

What me, and them, have been saying is that Biden and Harris had our votes, but every indication show d they wouldn’t get enough to beat trump.

It’s fine to be upset about that, we are too. Probably more than any moderate, we’re literally losing more than you all, that’s why we care.

But what’s scary is this has all happened before. Moderates refuse to acknowledge they’re unpopular with Dem voters, and rather than reach out to progressives for help reaching non-votera…

You all just seemed obsessed with turning more Dem voters away from the party.

Maybe if you stopped focusing so much on the negatives, and started promoting positive change, people wouldn’t argue with you so much.

The change we need is better Dem candidates, how the absolute fuck will that happen if we’re not allowed to acknowledge we keep running shitty candidates?

Do you even remember how a fair and open primary is supposed to work?

How is one of those ever possible if no one is allowed to criticize the party’s favorite?

Why do so many “moderates” insist on acting like the politically engaged people they run into online are the same people who are were so politically disengaged this year that they just didn’t vote?

Like, could you please explain the thinking that someone wouldn’t vote and then keep spending free time talking about it?

It’s not just you, and you’re not the first one I asked.

But everyone else just down votes me for asking and never respond.

She does, so does Biden, just not to the extent trump will.

It’s fucked up the DNC insisted on taking support of genocide as a binary topic out of this election.

Just think, if they cared more about votes than dark money from a foreign government, trump might not be president elect right now. That was always an option you know? Giving Dem voters what they wanted, not just on this issues but multiple others.

Do you think the gamble was worth it now?

Are you willing to do anything different in four years?

By choice I meant about the Dem candidate.

If trump tries to cancel elections, large parts of the government and military wouldn’t obey.

Even if he replaces generals with bootlickers, there’s a lot of links in the chain of command till it gets to boots on the ground.

We just have to get shit sorted before warfare is all drones.

Oh for sure, I think if the migrant camps actually get built in time, the plan is for them to be held indefinitely while planned incompetence makes it take forever to determine if they’re citizens or not.

All the time they’re being “paid” $0.07/hr for manual labor.

But four years honestly just isn’t enough time to do all that stuff. In four years everyone will be mad at trump again and even a bland moderate can beat him again.

Hopefully we choose someone better, but I don’t think the DNC will let us choose.

Even then, that doesn’t mean it’s over.

The fight against fascism is literally never over, even if Trump lost it wouldn’t be over.

The sooner everyone acknowledges that, the better off we’ll be.

What’s holding us back is the DNC insisting every election is life or death and could be the last election to justify shit the Dem voting base doesn’t want.

I’m starting to think moderates really do have that goldfish memory…

America has been a lot worse off than it’s about to be.

We had actual slavery, we genocided the native inhabitants, women were property, we even burned some as witches for telling us what we didn’t want to hear.

Emmit Till was brutally murdered as a child because a white girl wanted some attention.

We interned the wives and children of Japanese American while their husbands and fathers were drafted into our military.

Is shit gonna be horrible?

Absolutely.

But it probably won’t be worse than America has ever been. And to stop fighting now makes zero sense.

Learn a lesson from progressives, it’s been almost 20 years since we’ve been happy about a presidential election. That’s never made us stop voting, it’s never stopped us from working on the next election, and it sure as shit hasn’t stopped any of us from complaining.

But maybe next time you can remember that the politically disengaged won’t be motivated to vote by a candidate who chases Republican votes.

For longer than I’ve been alive the most popular excuse for not voting has been:

Both parties are the same

So when Dems act like Republicans, it just normalizes them and makes more people feel ok voting R, and depresses D turnout.

Please don’t forget, or check out for four years.

The thing is, you’re still falling for propaganda, and after the recent election I just don’t have the patience to try and talk you out of it