Good luck, everyone. I genuinely hope you make it through as okay as you can.
Thank you. I’ll do my best regardless. Will you be joining us?
I’ll do my best, yes.
Revenge of the Titanic.
air is probably cleaner now than it was then
Elaborate?
go read a historybook on the industrial revolution
That would make the air… less clean now?
Edit: looks like PM2.5 and PM10 levels were 10-100x more around a hundred years ago. Seems like air quality is in fact better now.
Facebook comments: Well obviously it was taken in the SUMMER 😂🤣😆 Morons global warming is all fear mongering!
Yes Jim. It’s very normal that entire glaciers disappear, regularly in fact, every year. You are so smart, much smarter than all of the scientists who are panicking.
Also, the sunlight suggests it’s summer in the first photo (or at least not winter).
The only issue that really matters to me is climate change. Or maybe plastic.
But this is the same as the picture of the statue of liberty that is used to “debunk” sea level rise by showing the level at the same height, despite being taken 100 years apart. Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?
This is a “shoe is on the other foot” moment, and we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it. Maybe especially so because confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
Glaciers don’t change with a full moon.
And I never said they did.
Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?
…we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it.Then what exactly are you implying?
Nothing, I explicitly said “we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it.” I don’t know how I could have made it more clear.
What does that have to do with pictures of a glacier obviously melting drastically in a short time?
It doesn’t. It’s almost like you are wilfully ignorant about thinking critically.
Ummm…. There’s people right here on lemmy saying the same dumb shit about summer. Don’t think for a second that lemmy doesn’t host some of the exact same idiots Facebook does.
Good news is that many instances on Lemmy are less tolerant to alt-right trolls and climate deniers. Best to use that report function so your admins, or even better, their admins, can snipe them.
Good idea. Though I generally don’t like to over-use the report function.
I guess depending on the instance it’s not necessarily over-using it, as the point is to report content that isn’t up to the instance or community’s standard. On some instance that includes disinfo, on others it doesn’t.
We are all humans, we are all dumb. A smart human isn’t one who knows everything, they’re one who knows what they don’t know and knows who knows that. And, ya know, defers to the people who know about things when they don’t.
Reddit comment: Shaving does make your dinghy look bigger!
people 107 years ago loved sepia filters.
And retro fashion.
Vvvintage.
yeah but it’s much more colorful now. that’s good, isn’t it?
OP always thinks positive.
But at what point does it become toxic positivity?
New real estate!
Thank goodness they cleared out all that snow and ice so that we can finally see the pretty mountains.
We should put some factories there!
This might be silly but we could replace the ice with trash?
Already working on it, my dudes.
While were at it we should also put a 50 lane highway
Afterwards, 30 chained fast food resturants along with gas stations can be built along it followed by market advertisement campaigns to set up billboards
Hear me out.
Miles of parking lots!
We might have to workshop this, but I feel like there’s a good idea in there somewhere
What time of year in each photo?
No the question is time of year but of time of day.
See it was mid morning so the glaciers all left for tea.
Question. How fast do you think glaciers reach that height?
Did you think my question was a veiled attempt at climate change denial, lol?
What was it, ignorance and stupidity?
A question.
“I’m just asking questions!”
I’m not your thread’s OP but I want to know the same question (what were the seasons) because no, I don’t know how fast glaciers reach that height either. Nothing about that implies denial of the validity, it’s a question to help quantify the change. Varying 10ft between seasons means this is a massive change regardless of season. Varying 100ft, not so much. No, I don’t beleive it’d actually be 100fr of change in 6 months, but I could see it being more than 10ft.
Are you suggesting that Antarctica typically thaws out in the summer?
- It is the Arctic, not the ant-arctic.
Actually that’s all.
What is this, an Arctic for Ants?!
Would you say it’s ant-antarctic?
Mountains of ice melt in the summer then the water refalls in the fall and winter as snow and freezing rain in truly apocalyptic amounts. Rebuilding the ice mountains to start the process over.
Can’t tell if a joke or if user doesn’t understand how glaciers work.
Joke
He doesn’t understand glaciers.
Glaciers are made from snow piling up over centuries.
Some of it melts each winter, but over time, the glacier should stay about the same.
If this glacier is melted, that means it’s been more melting than building back up for the last century. It’s a sign of global warming.
Is this Antarctica or the Arctic? The title said the Arctic, but you said Antarctica and the mountains do remind me more of the south than the north.
I assumed it was northern Canada, Russia, Iceland, or one of the other land masses at the edge of the Arctic Ocean.
Svalbard, according to the photographer. It’s the second image in that gallery, there’s a little “info” button below the bottom right of the image
I’m sure it’s just a smidge of winter snow build up. No need to be alarmed
Given that the sun up at roughly the same amount, and at the poles the sun remains consistently up or down according to the season, I think we can rightly assume these two photos are taken at least approximately at similar times of the year.
Glaciers actually do retreat and advance seasonally or on even longer cycles. Some have terminuses that move back and forth literal miles. One of the key indicators of climate change is the fact that globally, glaciers are retreating more than they’re advancing on average.
Sure, but completely disappear in a season as if that’s “normal?” No.
Is the boat the same distance from the shore?
Are you trolling? The seasonal variation in arctic glaciers is negligible.
Well that’s fuckin depressing
Mother Nature: Dont worry humans, everything will be fine, life will go on. Your fucking this up for your self, and you wont be missed
Oprah buying up development rights on the coastline there too?
I myself asked “What time of year was the lower photograph taken?” Then I realized I was being dumb, because if either photo was taken in winter time, we would see at least some ice in the water, if not a very large ice sheet.
That, and it’d be dark. You’d need to pack one hell of a flash.
At least we got some space to build car centric suburbia, eh? /s
More room to pollute! 🥳🥳🥳
It depends what. Plastic recycling is mostly a scam/fraud and does not fix nor change much.
The industry has long known that plastics recycling is not economically or practically viable, the report shows. An internal 1986 report from the trade association the Vinyl Institute noted that “recycling cannot be considered a permanent solid waste solution [to plastics], as it merely prolongs the time until an item is disposed of”.
In 1989, the founding director of the Vinyl Institute told attendees of a trade conference: “Recycling cannot go on indefinitely, and does not solve the solid waste problem.”
Despite this knowledge, the Society of the Plastics Industry established the Plastics Recycling Foundation in 1984, bringing together petrochemical companies and bottlers, and launched a campaign focused on the sector’s commitment to recycling.
In 1988, the trade group rolled out the “chasing arrows” – the widely recognized symbol for recyclable plastic – and began using it on packaging. Experts have long said the symbol is highly misleading, and recently federal regulators have echoed their concerns.
Cited article, and the report’s source
Recycling paper, metal and glass will help and make a difference, keeping in mind that we need to use less in the first place. However plastic recycling is broken by default, pretty much everywhere.
Captain Planets definitely going to shoot you. Maybe even turn you into a tree.
Maybe there’s oil under there!
Then it would need liberation and a hefty does of freedumb!
Looks like a nice enough spot for a landfill. Get on that, pronto.
Notice the first guy is in a wooden boat and the second guy is in a boat most likely made out of some plastic-based fibers. 🤔
The plastic isn’t really a huge driver of climate change, the problems it causes are different.
For the climate change comparison, notice that the old boat has oars, but the new boat has a gas engine
the old boat has oars
Which no-one is using. It’s the first thing I noticed. There’s a man sitting in the stern with a tiller and rudder, but there’s no visible means of propulsion, no other crew. Weird.
Edit: I zoomed in, and it’s possible there is someone else in the boat, hard to see.
Which is also a contributing factor to the obesity epidemic.
Far too many people are eating gas
It’s so calorie dense!
The boat in the old photo (from 1928, apparently) is casting a pretty good wake, and the man aboard is holding a tiller attached to a rudder. It’s impossible to tell for certain with the low-res image, but entirely likely that one of those shapes in the boat ahead of him is an inboard engine.
This is wild 🫨
