But yes, I legitimately believe Claudia De La Cruz is propped up by Republicans, because they are doing it out in the open. Look at Georgia, where the Republican Secretary of State overruled the courts and kept independent candidates on the ballot after RFK voluntarily withdrew.
If you actually look at Georgia, both the Republican court and Democrats suing are keeping Claudia De La Crúz off the ballot. You might want to do better research. Even then, it isn’t “propping up.”
I agree we need to push the Dems forward, because capitalism will always resist progress.
The Dems can’t be pushed forward, only reigned ever so slightly in.
Harris and Trump are not anywhere close on foreign policy. Harris does support Israel, and Israel is engaged in a genocide. I’m not disputing that. But That’s the only overlap between Harris and Trump, and Trump is proactively supporting the genocide, whereas Harris at least pays lipservice to the goal of ending the violence.
Oh thank God, I’ll go inform the grieving Palestinians that Harris is paying lipservice to them while Biden literally is sending in US troops. That’ll make all the difference!
I can understand why that makes it impossible for you to support Harris. I cannot understand why you are unable to see the difference between Harris and Trump. You may not like Harris’ position, but if you hate that, Trump’s position is objectively worse. Opposing both of them, refusing to take a side, refusing to cast a vote, these are all the choices that take you out of the equation. Your vote literally won’t count.
You’ll excuse me for thinking lip service is worthless, I care about the genocide itself and not the posturing those in charge do. My vote will certainly count, it’s a vote against genocide and a vote for Socialism. If the Dems want my vote they can pivot in that direction instead of speedrunning to the right every election.
Harris is not going to change her stance on Israel before the election. After the election, she may evolve on the issue if she continues to face pressure.
What pressure? If she gets elected, she has no more pressure. Her donors want the genocide to continue, so she will.
Right now, the Dems have decided that supporting Israel gains them more votes than it loses, and they can live with that.
Correct, they have decided that they think they can win without my vote, that’s their decision, and therefore on them.
Change happens slowly, with dilligence and dedication. It requires thoughtful, strategic effort, and doesn’t happen in a single election cycle. It doesn’t happen at the highest level, in a fptp race between two people vying for the chief executive office. You have to win hearts and minds, install progressives at every level of government, convince donors that it is in their best corporate interest to oppose genocide.
This is where your argument goes off the rails. No, you cannot reform the genocidal US Empire from within. The second a progressive party starts winning, the DNC and GOP will collaborate against them. Reform is impossible, leaving us only with revolution, which is what PSL is for. The aren’t trying to win the election, but make a lot of noise.
The world is a horrible place, and you can be part of the solution or part of the precipitate. You make your choice and you live with the consequences. We plant the trees that will shade our grandchildren, or you can stamp your foot and pout because the trees aren’t providing shade now. But you make a choice either way. Are you helping, or not?
The fact that you think continuing the genocidal US Empire is “planting trees that will shade our children” is sickening. Please, read theory, and organize. Electoralism will not save our children, Capitalism will make sure of that.
So you just want to overthrow the government? I’m not saying I’m opposed to it, but I’d want to know what your plan is for if you actually mobilize a resistance.
Genuinely, yes. That is the only way to stop the US Empire and achieve Socialism.
The shortest possible answer is orrganizing with leftist parties and building up Dual Power, ie comparable democratic institutions that can readily-replace the existing state structure. Imperialism brings about the death of Capitalism, eventually this decline will result in a shift to revolution, so having an organized group at the time of revolution ready to help guide that revolution and establish Socialism rather than barbarism is what’s important for Leftists.
There’s a lot of theory on the subject you can read, but you can also look at the Party Programs of FRSO and PSL.
Ok but in the meantime, can we all agree to vote for the person who isn’t a convicted felon? And a rapist? And a racist? And a fascist? And a xenophobe? And an insurrectionist? And like twelve other things that should disqualify him from office? Surely we can agree that, in the absence of overthrowing of the most powerful government in history, that at the very least we should do what we can to keep Donald Trump out of the driver’s seat?
If you actually look at Georgia, both the Republican court and Democrats suing are keeping Claudia De La Crúz off the ballot. You might want to do better research. Even then, it isn’t “propping up.”
The Dems can’t be pushed forward, only reigned ever so slightly in.
Oh thank God, I’ll go inform the grieving Palestinians that Harris is paying lipservice to them while Biden literally is sending in US troops. That’ll make all the difference!
You’ll excuse me for thinking lip service is worthless, I care about the genocide itself and not the posturing those in charge do. My vote will certainly count, it’s a vote against genocide and a vote for Socialism. If the Dems want my vote they can pivot in that direction instead of speedrunning to the right every election.
What pressure? If she gets elected, she has no more pressure. Her donors want the genocide to continue, so she will.
Correct, they have decided that they think they can win without my vote, that’s their decision, and therefore on them.
This is where your argument goes off the rails. No, you cannot reform the genocidal US Empire from within. The second a progressive party starts winning, the DNC and GOP will collaborate against them. Reform is impossible, leaving us only with revolution, which is what PSL is for. The aren’t trying to win the election, but make a lot of noise.
The fact that you think continuing the genocidal US Empire is “planting trees that will shade our children” is sickening. Please, read theory, and organize. Electoralism will not save our children, Capitalism will make sure of that.
So you just want to overthrow the government? I’m not saying I’m opposed to it, but I’d want to know what your plan is for if you actually mobilize a resistance.
Genuinely, yes. That is the only way to stop the US Empire and achieve Socialism.
The shortest possible answer is orrganizing with leftist parties and building up Dual Power, ie comparable democratic institutions that can readily-replace the existing state structure. Imperialism brings about the death of Capitalism, eventually this decline will result in a shift to revolution, so having an organized group at the time of revolution ready to help guide that revolution and establish Socialism rather than barbarism is what’s important for Leftists.
There’s a lot of theory on the subject you can read, but you can also look at the Party Programs of FRSO and PSL.
Ok but in the meantime, can we all agree to vote for the person who isn’t a convicted felon? And a rapist? And a racist? And a fascist? And a xenophobe? And an insurrectionist? And like twelve other things that should disqualify him from office? Surely we can agree that, in the absence of overthrowing of the most powerful government in history, that at the very least we should do what we can to keep Donald Trump out of the driver’s seat?
Yep, that’s why I’m voting for Claudia De La Crúz. She’s none of those, Kamala is most of those.
Gotcha. Sorry to have wasted my time talking with you.
Sorry to whom, you or me? What was your goal, exactly, where you think your time was wasted? It’s just a Lemmy convo.