I have been seeing plenty of guillhotine and mollotov jokes here, and as the title says, punching nazis.
I’ve been reading a book about nonviolence and anarchism, and he basically shows how we shouldn’t use violence, even in extreme cases (like neo nazis).
The main argument is that the means dictates the ends, so if we want a non violent (and non opressing) society, punching people won’t help.
And if it is just a joke, you should probably know that some people have been jailed for decades because of jokes like these (see: avoiding the fbi, second chapter of the book above).
Obviously im up for debate, or else I wouldn’t make this post. And yes, I do stand for nonviolence.
(english is not my first language, im sorry if I made errors, or wansn’t clear.)
(if this is not pertinent, I can remake this post in c/politics or something)
(the book is The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry, if you are downloading from the internet, make sure you download it from the correct author, there is another book with the same name.)
Its something people say to feel powerful and punk. Most of the people saying it couldn’t snap a twig let alone throw a punch.
Its similar to the fat boomers on the right who say they are ready to go to war.
If they were serious about it I do think it would hurt their cause given how easy it is these days to take an event and spin a narrative out of it.
Tell me you’ve never been to a punk show, without telling me you’ve never been to a punk show
Ive been to a few punk shows but there were no nazis. Majority of the dudes were pretty skinny.
The meme of punks fighting nazis is the same as every group that age. You walk into a bar wearing the wrong sports jersey and you’re getting punched. Ive been punched over not giving someone a lighter. Young males will fight for any reason. Once people stop being 21 and drunk it becomes less action and more talk.
https://www.gq.com/story/punks-and-nazis-oral-history
You have no clue what you’re talking about.
50 years ago…
Good now that you understand the historical context, you just might understand what’s been happening around the world currently. Maybe even you’ll start to understand that going to a few punk rock shows doesn’t reflect on the rest of the world at large.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/theres-more-than-we-think-infiltrating-the-australian-neo-nazi-movement/
https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2024/07/23/annoy-them-even-more-german-punks-invade-holiday-island-favoured-by-elites/
Archive of the above here https://archive.is/4grey
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl7yy2zevy2o
And since I’m tired of finding sources to educate you here’s a timeline of events
https://counter-currents.com/2023/12/the-punk-rock-roots-of-punching-nazis/
You aren’t “finding sources” you are googling something then picking headlines you think are relevant. Don’t act like you are trying to educate anyone. I doubt you read a single think you linked.
You’re not reading the articles or using context clues. See we can both diminish and dismiss each other.
That’s a lot of strawmanning you’re doing on behalf of Nazis.
That’s cause they are a Nazi. Take a look at their apartheid justification in their comments.
Well, see. I like to call out folk like this, to get their justifications out in the open. Sunlight being the best disinfectant and all.
Your entire instance advocates genocide on a daily basis. You have no morals.
I have the moral belief that genocide is wrong.
I use a more strict definition of genocide than the ICJ: Any government that intentionally blocks food, medicine, and potable water to a population it considers problematic is a government intentionally committing genocide.
Again, that is a more strict definition then the ICJ uses.
Never again meant for everyone.
None of what I said is strawmanning for nazis.
The definition of the Strawman Fallacy may beg to differ.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
I know what a strawman is now what part of my comment was a strawman?
Diminishing and assigning motive
And these fat boomers you’re equating are the literal strawmen.
Are you sure you read the article?
None of that was used to refute and argument. No where in my comment did I refute an argument or even use that as evidence.
If you read one line further I say “If they were serious about it I do think it would hurt their cause given how easy it is these days to take an event and spin a narrative out of it.” Thats me assuming they are as serious as they say and giving my reason why I think it harms more than helps.
You’re directly refuting the sentiment of the argument in that very line. “Nobody wants to actually punch a Nazi because they’re all skinny punks.” Is that not the crux of your argument? Serious question as I’m not trying to misquote or oversimplify.
You’ve also said that from the punk shows you went to personally you never saw any Nazis, I posted articles about current Nazis infiltrating punk scenes and the historical context of them doing that.
Are you willfully ignorant?