If you want to break the system, you have to built an organization strong enough to do that. Right now that just does not exist in the US. However Biden does some good work and even more importantly he is much less likely to actually fight the build up of such an organization. So in a swing state he is worth voting for. However in none swing states that is a different matter. There voting for say the Green Party is an option.
One thing is also extremely important. Climate change does not have a single tipping point. Reducing emissions is always a good idea, even if the policy is too slow. It does hurt the fossil fuel industry, which makes it easier to fight them. It also reduces the harm.
However this idea of everything but a revolution is not worth doing is just plain and simply ignorant of history. Revolutions do not create something new, the change the balance of power. So you need the bones of the next system to be ready and the strength to have a revolution. Both of those are much much much easier to do under Biden.
Yes. You can’t seriously say that “Biden is the genocide candidate but that’s better than the uber genocide candidate” and then say that you’re happy with the system. A system that offers you those choices is already broken, the only thing that remains is to build the best successor you can.
The problem with this ‘break the system’ accelerationist idea is that none of y’all have ever seen what really happens when the system breaks. I’ve known someone that lived through the genocide in Bosnia; that’s what happens when a system has a total breakdown. It’s not people suddenly joining hands and singing Kumbaya around a camp fire.
The project of building the new in the shell of the old is not accelerationist, it is decelerationist.
Edit: also bold to try to scare me with the prospect of a genocide. Our functioning society would never do a genocide am I right? Or maybe the scary prospect is a genocide at home, but Foucault’s boomerang means that’s coming anyway. My interest is in making structures that will keep society functioning whilst the empire crumbles.
Now try naming any country of more than 10M people where this idea of burning it all down and starting over has worked without also creating 50+ years of deep civil unrest and violence.
Bosnia and Herzegovina’s population is about 3.2 million, Rojava is estimated at around 2 million and the EZLN’s region has over 5 million, but now according to you I need a single contiguous example bigger than 10 million, which is more than most countries.
Why? I assume because you’re so scared of change that you’d rather content yourself with voting for slightly less genocide than consider the alternatives, and the best way to do that is to grab the goalposts and walk off with them.
And again, I’m not talking about burning things down, I’m talking about building alternatives. Let me know if you’re at all curious to understand what I mean by that.
Also, please keep downvoting all my comments. It makes your argument look so superior, it’s devastating.
By brother in Satan, the way you change things is by starting at the bottom and building platforms and candidates that are able to create consensus. You don’t start at the top, where your vote only matters in the aggregate. You do things like running for the local school board (which is far, far more important than people seem to understand, since that’s where the christian nationalists are focusing). You work with your local LGBTQ+ groups to train them in self-defense. You help protestors with opsec.
Work locally, vote strategically, That’s how you fix shit. This is known, and it works, but people keep focusing on ¡la revoluccion!
If you want to break the system, you have to built an organization strong enough to do that. Right now that just does not exist in the US. However Biden does some good work and even more importantly he is much less likely to actually fight the build up of such an organization. So in a swing state he is worth voting for. However in none swing states that is a different matter. There voting for say the Green Party is an option.
One thing is also extremely important. Climate change does not have a single tipping point. Reducing emissions is always a good idea, even if the policy is too slow. It does hurt the fossil fuel industry, which makes it easier to fight them. It also reduces the harm.
However this idea of everything but a revolution is not worth doing is just plain and simply ignorant of history. Revolutions do not create something new, the change the balance of power. So you need the bones of the next system to be ready and the strength to have a revolution. Both of those are much much much easier to do under Biden.
Sure it does. What do you think Republicans are actively doing right fucking now?
Oh, you meant break the system for a positive outcome…?
Yes. You can’t seriously say that “Biden is the genocide candidate but that’s better than the uber genocide candidate” and then say that you’re happy with the system. A system that offers you those choices is already broken, the only thing that remains is to build the best successor you can.
The problem with this ‘break the system’ accelerationist idea is that none of y’all have ever seen what really happens when the system breaks. I’ve known someone that lived through the genocide in Bosnia; that’s what happens when a system has a total breakdown. It’s not people suddenly joining hands and singing Kumbaya around a camp fire.
Rojava.
EZLN.
Cheran, Mexico.
I could go on.
The project of building the new in the shell of the old is not accelerationist, it is decelerationist.
Edit: also bold to try to scare me with the prospect of a genocide. Our functioning society would never do a genocide am I right? Or maybe the scary prospect is a genocide at home, but Foucault’s boomerang means that’s coming anyway. My interest is in making structures that will keep society functioning whilst the empire crumbles.
Good job naming small cities.
Now try naming any country of more than 10M people where this idea of burning it all down and starting over has worked without also creating 50+ years of deep civil unrest and violence.
Bosnia and Herzegovina’s population is about 3.2 million, Rojava is estimated at around 2 million and the EZLN’s region has over 5 million, but now according to you I need a single contiguous example bigger than 10 million, which is more than most countries.
Why? I assume because you’re so scared of change that you’d rather content yourself with voting for slightly less genocide than consider the alternatives, and the best way to do that is to grab the goalposts and walk off with them.
And again, I’m not talking about burning things down, I’m talking about building alternatives. Let me know if you’re at all curious to understand what I mean by that.
Also, please keep downvoting all my comments. It makes your argument look so superior, it’s devastating.
By brother in Satan, the way you change things is by starting at the bottom and building platforms and candidates that are able to create consensus. You don’t start at the top, where your vote only matters in the aggregate. You do things like running for the local school board (which is far, far more important than people seem to understand, since that’s where the christian nationalists are focusing). You work with your local LGBTQ+ groups to train them in self-defense. You help protestors with opsec.
Work locally, vote strategically, That’s how you fix shit. This is known, and it works, but people keep focusing on ¡la revoluccion!