Ah, great, another vote for the piece of shit because the other guy is worse. Winning move, Democrats!
The only thing that Blue MAGA can say “Ya, our guy is horrible, BuT tRuMp!!!”
If yall put a quarter of the amount of effort you put into justifying Biden’s complete and utter failure into trying to get him to change or to step out of the way for a new candidate, you might accomplish something. But you dont. So you wont.
Incrementalist policies could have worked if we started decades ago. We’re now at the point where it’s become a catastrophe in progress. The best we’re hoping for at this point is mitigating the disaster if we were to make big changes starting now. It’s kind of all or nothing at this point. Either we do what’s necessary or we don’t.
The article acknowledges the administrations failures and says that activists need to “hold his feet to the fire” … by voting for him unconditionally? People who take this stance have no concept of power. They think that they can get the government to do what they want simply by writing strongly worded letters and going to the occasional conflict-free protest to hold up signs and then go home.
If you’re not serious enough about the problem to break away from civil politics and lesser evilism,then we’re doomed. At some point people need to start breaking things.
If you want to break the system, you have to built an organization strong enough to do that. Right now that just does not exist in the US. However Biden does some good work and even more importantly he is much less likely to actually fight the build up of such an organization. So in a swing state he is worth voting for. However in none swing states that is a different matter. There voting for say the Green Party is an option.
One thing is also extremely important. Climate change does not have a single tipping point. Reducing emissions is always a good idea, even if the policy is too slow. It does hurt the fossil fuel industry, which makes it easier to fight them. It also reduces the harm.
However this idea of everything but a revolution is not worth doing is just plain and simply ignorant of history. Revolutions do not create something new, the change the balance of power. So you need the bones of the next system to be ready and the strength to have a revolution. Both of those are much much much easier to do under Biden.
If you want to break the system, you have to built an organization strong enough to do that. Right now that just does not exist in the US.
Sure it does. What do you think Republicans are actively doing right fucking now?
Oh, you meant break the system for a positive outcome…?
Yes. You can’t seriously say that “Biden is the genocide candidate but that’s better than the uber genocide candidate” and then say that you’re happy with the system. A system that offers you those choices is already broken, the only thing that remains is to build the best successor you can.
The problem with this ‘break the system’ accelerationist idea is that none of y’all have ever seen what really happens when the system breaks. I’ve known someone that lived through the genocide in Bosnia; that’s what happens when a system has a total breakdown. It’s not people suddenly joining hands and singing Kumbaya around a camp fire.
Rojava.
EZLN.
Cheran, Mexico.
I could go on.
The project of building the new in the shell of the old is not accelerationist, it is decelerationist.
Edit: also bold to try to scare me with the prospect of a genocide. Our functioning society would never do a genocide am I right? Or maybe the scary prospect is a genocide at home, but Foucault’s boomerang means that’s coming anyway. My interest is in making structures that will keep society functioning whilst the empire crumbles.
Good job naming small cities.
Now try naming any country of more than 10M people where this idea of burning it all down and starting over has worked without also creating 50+ years of deep civil unrest and violence.
Bosnia and Herzegovina’s population is about 3.2 million, Rojava is estimated at around 2 million and the EZLN’s region has over 5 million, but now according to you I need a single contiguous example bigger than 10 million, which is more than most countries.
Why? I assume because you’re so scared of change that you’d rather content yourself with voting for slightly less genocide than consider the alternatives, and the best way to do that is to grab the goalposts and walk off with them.
And again, I’m not talking about burning things down, I’m talking about building alternatives. Let me know if you’re at all curious to understand what I mean by that.
Also, please keep downvoting all my comments. It makes your argument look so superior, it’s devastating.
So this is really where we’re at. Team Biden is really going to take the HRC 16 strat of just fucking giving up on promising anything meaningful and going “what are you going to do, vote for that Bozo?”
That’s a bold strategy, Cotton.
They haven’t done that though. What I’ve seem instead is a steady and ongoing rollout of good policy, even if it’s not yet enough.
Thanks for sharing that. Biden’s done a lot of things I agree with, I was actually pretty impressed with him until the Palestinian genocide. I wish that this is what the Biden camp was talking about. Instead, all of the messaging seems to be “the economy is fine, actually, you’re complaining about nothing” or “well, at least he’s not Trump”, and I don’t think that kind of messaging will carry the day.
That’s absolutely not what they are doing. Biden has delivered on a lot of his promises and done a great job.
If you are still bOtH sIdInG after you’ve seen the damage Trump had done, you are beyond reason.
I’m not both siding. I’m in disbelief that in an election as important is this one, the democrats have decided that the best strategy they can use is “you don’t really have a choice, you have to vote for me because I’m not Trump.” Which, at best, has a track record of a 50% success rate, and arguably has a 0% success rate. I say 0% because, the way I remember it, that wasn’t the strategy the Biden camp ran with in '20; they hadn’t forgot that people actually did vote for Trump before. This was basically HRC’s messaging in 16, “suck it up, vote blue no matter who, because, I mean, are you really going to vote for that Bozo?” And they found out the answer to that question the hard way. I don’t want the democrats to learn already learned lessons at the expense of the entire country. It just feels like they’re playing stupid games for themselves to win stupid prizes for everyone.
- Genocide in Gaza.
Really don’t have to keep giving reasons for not voting for Biden after that. That is a full-stop so not vote for this guy type of thing.
So you’ll vote for trump, who will worsen the outlook in Palestine and Gaza in LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE WAY he can?
Biden’s fighting with Bibi, trump will encourage him. It’s not the binary you think it is.
No, you dumbass, I will not vote for Trump. Is reading comprehension entirely gone? Tell me where I said I was going to vote for Trump.
It is possible to vote for someone else.
Biden is fighting Bibi is patiently untrue. The weapons keep getting sent.
so…? you won’t vote biden, and you say you won’t vote trump. why are you pissing and moaning about it all so much if you’re just gonna sit around with your thumb up your ass DOING NOTHING?
jfc get a grip
Your dumb ass replied to me. I was talking to someone else. Why are you wasting my time?
you piss and moan about how bad it is and only want to make things worse.
You do realize that Joe Biden isn’t president of Israel?
You do realize we are supplying weapons for Israel to continue its genocide, right?
You do realize we sell weapons to most of the world? Is Joe responsible for every gun fired ever?
I don’t even know why I’m engaging with this, you’re clearly either a troll or a bad faith actor.
Keep with the absurd arguments. 👍
And then call me a troll. 🙄
