• sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        2 months ago

        If you are doing this shot at a gun point, you are no better than the regime you are fighting

        What a clown take to glorify Bolsheviks’ crimes.

        How is this anymore acceptable than “people voted for Hitler” shit?

        • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          2 months ago

          If you are doing this shot at a gun point, you are no better than the regime you are fighting

          Oppressed people have the right to use violence to liberate themselves. Were the Haitian Slaves wrong for killing their Masters? Was John Brown wrong for killing Slave Owners? Were the French wrong for killing the Monarchy? Were the Bolsheviks wrong for killing the Tsar? Are Palestinians wrong for killing the IDF?

          Violence is a tool that should be used sparingly and carefully, yes. It should be avoided, if possible. However, if non-violence is proven to not work, then that leaves violence, or threat of violence, as the remaining path.

          The idea that using violence against oppressors makes you “no better than them” is useless moralism used to justify an extremely violent system that daily beats its subjects.

          What a clown take to glorify Bolsheviks’ crimes.

          Was it a crime to liberate Russia from the brutal Tsars and pull Russia out of the highly unpopular and bloody World War I?

          How is this anymore acceptable than “people voted for Hitler” shit?

          What on Earth are you talking about? Why are you comparing liberatory violence with voting in Hitler?

          • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            2 months ago

            After they killed the czars, they turned on the people.

            That’s the part tankie won’t teach you folks but a quick Wikipedia search should explain to you what they did to the peasants, esp in Ukraine and Kazakhstan

            • Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              2 months ago

              After they killed the czars, they turned on the people.

              Yea, they helped the people by ending famines, doubling life expectancy, getting to 99% literacy rates, provided free college and healthcare, and democratized government.

              That’s the part tankie won’t teach you folks but a quick Wikipedia search should explain to you what they did to the peasants, esp in Ukraine and Kazakhstan

              Are you genuinely under the impression that Marxists somehow spent their entire lives avoiding western narratives around the USSR, read dozens of books on history and theory, and somehow have never once seen the western point of view? Are you specifically referring to events, or their entire history?

              As an example, prior to the current Russo-Ukranian conflict escalating in 2022, in 2019 62% of Ukranians said they were worse off then, than under Communism. Ukranians enjoyed being a part of the USSR more than they do being a part of the current Ukranian State. Similarly, Central Asia (including Kazakhstan) is not without Soviet Nostalgia either.

              This is, of course, after you said using violence against oppressors makes you no better than them, which automatically makes you anti-Palestine, pro-Confederacy, anti-Haitian Slave Revolt, anti-French Revolution, and against all violent liberatory movements, if we assume you to be morally consistent.

              • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                2 months ago

                As an example, prior to the current Russo-Ukranian conflict escalating in 2022, in 2019 62% of Ukranians said they were worse off then, than under Communism. Ukranians enjoyed being a part of the USSR more than they do being a part of the current Ukranian State.

                🤡

                Make some fake survey to justify fake position, ignore 100 years of history and current situation.

                Delusional haha

                  • sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    0
                    ·
                    2 months ago

                    In a 2009 Pew survey, 62% of Ukrainians said life was worse economically nowadays compared to the Soviet era.[14] A 2013 Gallup survey showed that 56% of Ukrainians thought the dissolution of the USSR was harmful, while only 23% thought it was beneficial.[7] In a 2016 survey, 60% of Ukrainians above the age of 35 said life was better under the USSR.[8] However, by 2020, a survey from the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology showed that 34% of Ukrainians regretted the dissolution of the USSR, compared to 50% who do not regret it. Regret was highest in Eastern Ukraine where 49% of Ukrainians regretted it compared to 35% who did not, while it was lowest in Western Ukraine where only 15% regretted it compared to 69% who did not.[19]

                    As an example, prior to the current Russo-Ukranian conflict escalating in 2022, in 2019 62% of Ukranians said they were worse off then, than under Communism.

                    Bro… Site your source properly.

                    Cherry picking survey to support your position while ignoring overwhelming majority voting to exit Russian clown state along with every other republic.

                    Saying this shit while Ukraine has to fight a war for its existance is beyond idiotic. Who do you think you covering with this?

                    Do you ever wonder why Warsaw pack states joined EU and NATO first chance they got?

                    Must be because life under Russian boot was that great lol