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First of all. This is not another “how do I exit vim?” shitpost.
I’ve been using (neo)vim for about two years and I started to notice, that I,m basically unable to use non-vim editors. I do not code a lot, but I write a lot of markown. I’d like to use dedicated tools for this, but their vim emulators are so bad. So I’m now stuck with my customized neovim, devoid of any hope of abandoning this strange addiction.
Any help or advice?
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The real question is how to make everything a modal editor.
Get a thinkpad or a keyboard with a trackpoint. Your life gets a little bit better.
I don’t know understand why you need markdown, but if you are so used to vim motions why not switch to latex instead. You wouldn’t have to worry about katex support as well. This is an advice solely based on your need for katex support without understanding your needs.
Switch to GUI editors with Word-like navigation. You will struggle but eventually your vim habits will fade away and then you will be able to use any editor with slightly various levels of performance.
Why would you wanna quit if vim works for you?
Plus vim can be an amazing markdown editor with a few dedicated plugins.
What plugins can you recommend?
I think the only markdown plugin I’ve used was for table alignment.
Mkdnflow is the one that I used to use and it does so many things amazingly for writting markdown easier
Yes, it is amazing, but some things ( like md tables or writing katex eqations) are handled rough. And I still sometimes need to use something other than vim and then life gets hard.
That’s why for tables and katex equations I used plugins to help me with then to not be rough.
As for other stuff than vim, minimize the nees for them if it really gets hard.
As for other stuff than vim, minimize the nees for them if it really gets hard.
Your vim obsession is looking kinda unhealthy at this point.
I just prefer the vim bindings and motions, not an obsession. I use diff tools almost daily and can manage in them with no issues, but whenever I can use vim binding I will because they just feel better to me.
Idk, mister/miss. Your comment was pretty concerning.
I was talking for the op in that part tho, it can be seen from the context
Also, some tools have plugins to provide vim controls for them.
I know at least and use these:
- SublimeText (https://github.com/NeoVintageous/NeoVintageous)
- Firefox (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/vimium-ff)
There are probably more…
Learn emacs
Agreed. Start here.
LOL you made my day :) “emacs is a part time job”
No joke, Emacs has the ability to render in line markdown, essentially the current line is just text, while the rest of the doc is rendered as markdown titles, links, lists, etc. It’s my favourite way of editing markdown but I’ve never found another editor that does markdown like that. Everything else has text and rendered markdown side by side as separate panes, which I personally hate.
Edit: I stand corrected. Neovim has it too: https://github.com/MeanderingProgrammer/render-markdown.nvim
Sounds like what Obsidian and Logseq do? Awesome!
Marktext is another. Pretty lightweight and more permissive license than Obsidian.
No joke, Emacs has the ability to render in line markdown, essentially the current line is just text, while the rest of the doc is rendered as markdown titles, links, lists, etc.
This sounds amazing. I’ve been using markdown-mode for ages now though, and I’ve never come across this feature.
How do you enable this?
I have it in my config, will link to a specific commit in case anything changes. Look for the heading called MARKDOWN and I’d recommend grabbing all 3 subsections (MARKDOWN, Markdown Headings, Markdown Concealing). The main part is the last one iirc. Link: https://gitlab.com/theshatterstone/dotfiles/-/blob/6f00007eac475946e11fa3278ffbf526400b7e10/.config/emacs/config.org
Edit: Links from the Table of Contents don’t work in Gitlab, unfortunately, so you’ll have to scroll to it yourself.
The answer is of course another editor: doomemacs
The trick is do the opposite, namely bring vim everywhere, e.g using Tridactyl you can bring some behaviors to the browser and, in this very textarea from lemmy, if I press Ctrl+i I get gvim, when I exit it, the content is back in the textarea and I can reply. Vim everywhere.
With neovim you can even put vim in the textarea.
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Thanks for sharing back such detailed instructions! I hope you will like it and inspire other to try. I’ve been using it for years now https://fabien.benetou.fr/Tools/Tridactyl after Vimperator and really enjoy browsing this way.
I unfortunately deleted this comment, before seeing your reply. I thought it was too complicated for an comment. So I ended up creating a dedicated tutorial post based on that reply in Linux and Firefox communities.
lol, yes I just saw that :D No worries, thanks for sharing it there then!
I don’t know if this will work for you, and I’m not sure if you’re only looking for TUI editors, but Obsidian has vi key bindings and a lot of plugins.
Disclaimer: I have not tried the vi key bindings in Obsidian.
Another one I use is vscode. It has a ton of markdown plugins and vi key bindings. It also has a nice preview window.
Obsidian should not be suggested for general use without the disclaimer that you have to pay if you use it for any work in most cases (unless you work for a very small place or a non-profit). I think their license is probably one of the most unintentionally violated around, kind of can’t believe they’re on flathub.
Commercial use means using Obsidian for revenue-generating or work-related activities within a for‑profit organization that has two or more employees. Government departments and agencies are considered commercial use, unless registered as a non-profit organization.
Switch to helix
Why do you want stop using Vim in the first place? That would be a good information to have, to give help. What dedicated tools do you mean? What do they offer that you miss in Vim? If you just hate Vim and want stop using it no matter what, the only solution is to uninstall it, to not fall into those habits of using it everywhere. Over time you should get used to those other editors and tools.
Trying using Nano for absolutely EVERYTHING for a few weeks. That’ll help.
Nano works just fine for me
I have no issues with it. It’s Kryptonite to the nonsensical world of VI(m) users though.
Personally, the only thing that would help me for is if I wanted to kill myself
Some IDE’s have a VIM mode.
This is what I do. The IDEA tools (InteliJ, PyCharm, etc.) have pretty good vim support.
Just switch to VSCode or something similar, it has enough features and shortcuts that will quickly make you like at least 80% as productive as you were in Vim. It even has a Vim mode so you can wean yourself off of it more easily.
Honestly never got the appeal of Vim, you need to spend so much time learning and configuring it only to squeeze out a little bit of extra productivity out of it when compared to a “normal” editor/IDE. I don’t see why it’s so important to be able to edit and write code as quickly as possible since most of the time you’re going to be debugging or looking at the code or reading docs.
EDIT: Just noticed you said you don’t code a lot. I think most of what I said still applies, I imagine you don’t spend 99% of the time in the editor typing away.
I haven’t measured it, but I can tell I’m noticably slower on standard editors than Vim.
I used to use Sublime for notes and then VSCode and those types of text editors work just fine for non code stuff imo. VSCode even has syntax highlighting for Markdown so could be a plus for OP.
To your “never got the appeal”.
Ngl for me using vim is the only option. If something needs to be done using a mouse, it’s just not going to be done. I can’t aim properly due to problems with my arms, and it itches something in my brain everytime I try, it makes me literally furious and enraged.
I tried using zed, but quickly found out that I can only control the text field with motions, nothing else.
If I try using mouse, speed of anything I do gets multiplied by 0.1.
Thanks to vim, I’m able to work with loads of text at all.
Simple as that.
The thing is, it’s fun
Right, so you want eMacs evil mode with some choice vim plugins. Excellent vim emulation. The terminal interface is pretty good, and the GUI version has some excellent markdown plugins that give you a live preview. Get started with doom-emacs as it’s very pro vim and modernised out of the box. Then once you’ve got into eMacs you’ll not have any issues with free time ever again, as everything you could possibly want to do you’ll be doomed to finding out how to do in eMacs.
