I’m sure this is a super common question but why do people (generally liberals or sometimes people on the left) call basically everyone who mildly agree with current more authoritarian leaning socialist states tankies
I wouldn’t nessicarily call myself a tankie but I can also fully understand why people feel that label fits them when so many people call so many perspectives tankie perspectives and just shove them in a corner
Not sure if that makes sense as a question but I hope it does


I keep being surprised that people on here seem to have an issue with that nickname. Have a look at the lemmygrad logo.
I think tanks as a visual symbol of authoritarianism kinda make sense. No idea where the link to socialism comes from though.
From actually existing socialist nations and not from LARP newspaper orgs or chauvinistic anarchists who have yet to form an actual socialist project that is both successful and lasting.
“Tankie” was a pejorative for Marxists that support socialism in real life then as well as now. It originated in the Communist Party of Great Britain. The term was coined because of the British tendency towards silly-sounding insults, and because the Soviet Union sent in the Red Army to stop the western-backed fascist insurrection. This caused a split in the party (as it always does in western orgs).
The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists. The Truth About Hungary by Herbert Aptheker, heavily relies on citing western sources like the New York Times (which you can see if you actually read my comment). Aptheker backs up his claims heavily.
Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces:
Prague in 1968 was a similar fascist uprising in both cases there were some elements of progressive protest, but these were greatly overshadowed by the fascist movements. Dubcek wanted to sell out to the IMF, and restore capitalism. The idea that any of this was about “democracy” or “freedom” is silly, it was always about Cold War tactics to destabilize socialism.
TL;DR imagine if the January 6th rioters were armed and trained by foreign governments, started lynching officials and Jewish people, and the US sent in the army to put down the insurrection. The MAGA chuds would claim that it was about “freedom” and “democracy,” but we all know that they just wanted Trump in office.
Nowadays, it’s used by any random anti-communist to refer to anyone that supports socialist states or doesn’t buy into the imperialist narrative about global south countries. It was the ones you call “tankies” that knew the stories of WMD and Saddam’s forces leaving babies outside of incubators were both bullshit to manufacture consent for war, but now that its decades later the anti-communists all suddenly have collective amnesia about their willing participation in spreading the lies of empire to murder hundreds of thousands of people.
I recommend the Prolewiki article on “Tankies,” as well as Nia Frome’s essay “Tankies.” That should give you a more well-rounded view.
and of course, like most radlibs, they probably don’t/didn’t read or don’t care and continue gurgling State Department truth like it’s the sweet, sweet nectar of life.
Maybe they did, but I can’t help but feel like this beautifully written passage fell on deaf ears.
I share this somewhat frequently over on Lemmy.ml, sometimes it seems to actually break through a bit.
That’s good. I have had a lot of experience with talking to red maga and blue maga and genuinely radlibs are the hardest to break-through to. I really don’t know what it is that makes some radlibs go hardcore on the U.S state department garbage. I had a talk with one this morning about China and even if you just ram statistics and sources into their face they’re full-tilt on the “perfidious asians” even if they don’t say it like that.
Shit is frustrating, thanks for you service Cowbee!
Generally, radlibs materially benefit from the system enough for it to actually work for them, thus they license themselves into believing “DNC good.” Without reading theory and without feeling like the DNC isn’t working, they kinda stick around there. Masses, Elites, and Rebels: The Theory of “Brainwashing” is essential reading IMO.
And thanks!
Starred! (Thanks for taking the time)
No problem!
Top notch comment.
I also want to add I too really like Frome’s articles on tankies; I think they’re generally an excellent essayist and their twitter/xcancel are quite thought provoking too; really helped me understand marxism better.
I feature Nia Frome’s work quite prominently in my ML reading list, I agree!
never knew that story, I’m gonna wear the insult with pride
Great sources! Thank you, comrade!
No, thank you! I always learn from your comments, comrade.
We wear the name with pride as we understand socialism is a science, not the empty idealism of racist Westerners who are more than happy to echo the imperialist talking points and look down their nose on the systems of socialist governance of the Global South that attempt to withstand the ongoing brutal siege by the West.
If you actually want to learn:
https://redsails.org/why-marxism/