Yes, that’s the point, Bill!

  • barrbaric [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    3 months ago

    Eh, it’d be a good step in the right direction if they did stack the court (though term limits and a code of conduct are laughable half-measures at best), but I have my doubts the dems will do anything. If they sincerely believed that the american right wanted to end democracy and put dem politicians in camps (to be clear, they’re fine with other people being in camps), one would assume they’d be using that newfound presidential immunity to start drone striking “threats to the republic”.

    Edit: oh and obviously whatever tools the dems use, the republicans will use more ruthlessly as they care far, far less about optics.

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    3 months ago

    Yes, Barr. Having conservatives on our highest court, have undermined the meaning of American justice, and thus removing them and keeping them out is a good long term solution, intended by term limits and oversight.

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    3 months ago

    So out of curiosity from outside the US - why hasn’t it been done before? I.e. during Biden’s original term as a president, or perhaps in his VP term with Obama?

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      3 months ago

      It’s not actually going to happen, it’s just a popular sounding promise to make during election season.

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      3 months ago

      Because the changes would likely require a Constitutional Amendment. For setting a term limit, Article 3 of the US Constitution establishes that judges serve while “in good standing”. This has been interpreted as meaning “for life”. And this interpretation has some pretty strong backing from Hamilton’s writing in The Federalist Papers No. 78. While the Federalist Papers do not, technically, have legal standing in the US, they are often used to fill in the gaps left by the imprecise language of the US Constitution.

      Enforcing a code of ethics is probably a muddier situation. Article 3 establishes that Judges serve during “Good Behavior”. But how is that defined and who gets to define it? Technically, The House of Representatives can impeach a judge (and this has happened in the past). So, the Legislature could simply say, “we’ll impeach judges for violating this list of things”. At the same time, an impeachment is not self-executing. So, a judge would not be automatically fired for violating one of those things. At best, the list would be a guideline and the sitting House (at the time of the impeachment) would have to draw up and vote on articles of impeachment. Could the legislature pass a law making the removal of a judge self-executing by defining “Good Behavior”? Maybe, though the same Judaical Branch whom it would affect would be the one to make that decision. I strongly suspect they would say, “no”. And that may not be the worst outcome.

      In Federalist No. 78 Hamilton makes the argument that the Judiciary must be very independent from the Legislature and Executive branches to avoid becoming an arm of those branches. The claim is that the Judiciary must be free to judge the actions of the other two branches, and rule purely on the Constitution and the Law. If the Legislature and Executive get to start tinkering with the tenure of judges, via rule making, there will be some incentive for the Judaical branch to begin serving the will of the other two branches. That’s fine, if you agree with the other two branches, it’s less so when you don’t. In the end, I suspect that an enforceable code of ethics is going to require a Constitutional Amendment as well.

      The changes to Presidential Immunity are probably the worst one to evaluate. I’m convinced that this decision was very much the court picking a position and then papering over all the hideous gaps in it. Unfortunately, because the Judiciary is the final arbiter on this one, and they say the decision is based on the Constitution, any change will have to come as a Constitutional Amendment. I recognize the circular nature of that logic, but that’s kinda where we are at. Unless and until the make up of the Supreme Court changes, Nixon was right.

      And for fun irony, the US President is actually not involved in passing an amendment to the US Constitution. That process takes 2/3 of each House of Congress and then 2/3 of the States. The President doesn’t get a chance to veto/sign the Amendment. And, that has about the same chance as a snowball fight in Hell of happening right now. So, everything around this subject is just useless posturing. Nothing is changing any time soon.

  • yeather@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    Wouldn’t the Supreme Court then rule it illegal and block any code or term limits?

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      3 months ago

      They could try that. But then the executive can literally kick them out of their offices. At a certain point magic legal words stops being an effective strategy. Like when you’ve obviously over stepped your authority.

      Congress and the president could also pass a law tomorrow invalidating the Marbury decision.

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        3 months ago

        Andrew Jackson was a piece of shit, but his views on SCOTUS are fairly applicable here. They don’t control the purse or the sword.

        “Let’s see them enforce it”, and then he did whatever the hell he wanted to anyways for a while.

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    3 months ago

    That would be funny if all the justices got got by this. Just having the SC have zero justices on the bench for any amount of time would be a funny thing to happen while I’m alive.

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    3 months ago

    These judges are supposed to be impartial, Bill. They shouldn’t ascribe to any party, and they definitely shouldn’t do it publicly. Now, what’s going on here in reality is way worse than what I just said.

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    3 months ago

    I will be open to the considered views of my colleagues on the bench, and I will decide every case based on the record, according to the rule of law, without fear or favor, to the best of my ability, and I will remember that it’s my job to call balls and strikes, and not to pitch or bat.

    • “Chief” “Justice” John Roberts
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    3 months ago

    I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen that much projection in a single article before.

    Essentially every single thing that he accuses the left of planning to do is actually something that the right has already done, and is in fact one of the reasons that reform is necessary.

    The most frustrating part of it is that it’s not simply that he self-evidently has no integrity and no principles, but that he’s a short-sighted moron. Like every useful idiot in every authoritarian coup ever, he’s defending the autocrats simply because their actions currently align with his shallow self-interest, and is completely oblivious to the fact that they could just as easily (and sooner or later will) oppose his interests, and by then, in part specifically because of his shallow stupidity, it’ll be too late to do anything about it.

    • davel@lemmy.ml
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      3 months ago

      Bill Bar is not the least bit stupid nor short-sighted. He is not a useful idiot. He knows exactly what he is: a member of the capitalist class, and he knows exactly what he’s doing: fighting a class war against the working class.