Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled.
The first is relatively benign, since it would be a “greedy” OK-list that errs on the side of leaving people alone and otherwise, in a no-match case, requires using traditional methods for identity verification. That kind of app would be the equivalent of Global Entry or TSA Pre-check, an efficiency measure to wave familiar faces through.
The second is worse because it acts as an overconfident not-OK-list that usually errs on the side of leaving people alone but doesn’t account for false positives.
The third is what the headline implies. It’s an OK-list that aggressively errs on the side of “not OK.” The only reason to make an app like that is computer says no.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
What made me think that it wasn’t that case was that OP mentions app specifies whether or not an order of deportation had been issued.
If that is one of several possible “detain” conditions, the app would function like case 2. If that was the only trigger for detention, the app would function like case 1.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
The point of these programs is to eliminate ‘doubt’, the agent KNOWS that the machine is saying that the target should be detained and that’s all they need for an excuse to effect an arrest.
The fact that their knowledge is based on flawed technology isn’t something that you can argue in the field, only in front of a judge which is well after you’ve been arrested.
This technology is used like drug sniffing dogs are used now. They provide an excuse, probable cause, and the fact that it’s completely possible to arbitrarily generate probable cause isn’t something that helps you during your encounter.
It’s a shit tactic but, absent legislation from a working government, law enforcement can get away with shady and unconstitutional tactics. Since we don’t have a functioning federal government we have to deal with these shady tactics from law enforcement and hope that courts will eventually find the truth.
Dude. Its an extra excuse. Everything is an excuse. Please stop pretending there’s coherent reasoning or consistent logic here. It’s all pure exercise of power shit.
You may have misunderstood me. I asked because knowing how their weapons work has immediate strategic implications for my community. I’m not attempting to justify, lessen any alarm, or describe secret police as anything but what they are.
Wait, like match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive OK? Or no match = definitive not OK? I ask because the details are quite bedeviled.
The first is relatively benign, since it would be a “greedy” OK-list that errs on the side of leaving people alone and otherwise, in a no-match case, requires using traditional methods for identity verification. That kind of app would be the equivalent of Global Entry or TSA Pre-check, an efficiency measure to wave familiar faces through.
The second is worse because it acts as an overconfident not-OK-list that usually errs on the side of leaving people alone but doesn’t account for false positives.
The third is what the headline implies. It’s an OK-list that aggressively errs on the side of “not OK.” The only reason to make an app like that is computer says no.
Regardless, fuck ICE. Fuck Trump.
I think the app tells them either way.
If they scan your face and it says you’re illegally in the country then you’re getting arrested, no matter what evidence you have to the contrary.
False positives are arrested and held in custody until the legal system can get to them.
That’d be case 3: when in doubt, detain. Blatantly illegal.
What made me think that it wasn’t that case was that OP mentions app specifies whether or not an order of deportation had been issued.
If that is one of several possible “detain” conditions, the app would function like case 2. If that was the only trigger for detention, the app would function like case 1.
The point of these programs is to eliminate ‘doubt’, the agent KNOWS that the machine is saying that the target should be detained and that’s all they need for an excuse to effect an arrest.
The fact that their knowledge is based on flawed technology isn’t something that you can argue in the field, only in front of a judge which is well after you’ve been arrested.
This technology is used like drug sniffing dogs are used now. They provide an excuse, probable cause, and the fact that it’s completely possible to arbitrarily generate probable cause isn’t something that helps you during your encounter.
It’s a shit tactic but, absent legislation from a working government, law enforcement can get away with shady and unconstitutional tactics. Since we don’t have a functioning federal government we have to deal with these shady tactics from law enforcement and hope that courts will eventually find the truth.
Dude. Its an extra excuse. Everything is an excuse. Please stop pretending there’s coherent reasoning or consistent logic here. It’s all pure exercise of power shit.
You may have misunderstood me. I asked because knowing how their weapons work has immediate strategic implications for my community. I’m not attempting to justify, lessen any alarm, or describe secret police as anything but what they are.
Its an excuse. Positive ID overrides.
It’s always an excuse.
Totally.